Movies: New Ideas Welcome II Prequel Reboot

[Handyman]

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I'd never heard of that before. What if the director thinks that the opening credits would harm the movie in some way, viewer experience or something? That seems like an arbitrary rule.

Nowadays it is no big deal but back then the rule was in place to make sure everyone involved with the film got proper credit. The DGA and WGA and SAG have some real strange rules...

[St. Clown]

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Well part of the problem with Jedi was that Spielberg was set to direct (and my guess is he would have played script doctor just like Kershner did on Empire) but the Directors Guild blocked him. Lucas was in a tiff because he didnt use opening credits on the previous two films which was a union violation so they blocked any DGA member from directing Jedi.

I'd never heard of that before. What if the director thinks that the opening credits would harm the movie in some way, viewer experience or something? That seems like an arbitrary rule.

[Handyman]

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It's tough to say on Lucas. There are quotes of him sounding completely sane, and knowing exactly what's needed to make a solid film that both told a real (simple) story and fascinated peoples' ideas surrounding space and mysticism. He knew that the special effects were key, but as Handy(?) stated before me, they were the tools to the ends, not the ends in and of themselves. Then there are other times, when he started in with the Special Edition releases where he said that he'd have done so much more with the special effects had the technology and budget been available to him back in 1976. Well, he got that budget, and you can see what he did to his otherwise great films (IV and V).

Also, he acknowledged that he didn't have the greatest ability at script writing when writing the story outline for Empire, so he brought in some help. Kasdan and Kirshner took a good story outline and made a fantastic movie from it. Then Lucas inserted himself deeper into Return of the Jedi, and out popped the Teddy Bear Jamboree and the unwillingness to kill Han even though it should've happened.

Well part of the problem with Jedi was that Spielberg was set to direct (and my guess is he would have played script doctor just like Kershner did on Empire) but the Directors Guild blocked him. Lucas was in a tiff because he didnt use opening credits on the previous two films which was a union violation so they blocked any DGA member from directing Jedi.

[The Rube]

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Berlin Syndrome:

A passionate one-night stand turns into a captive situation. The pieces were there, but never really held any suspense for me. Needed to polish it up a bit. Worth a time-kill, that's about it.

[St. Clown]

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Was it just Lucas getting high on his own supply (the Mike Myers Effect) or were there other reasons that led to turning the franchise into a gibbering tweens' toy marketing scam in 6 and 1-3?

Or was Lucas always an idiot, right from the beginning, and he just caught lightning in a bottle with Ep 4 and 5, or he had somebody behind the scenes who delivered the real quality who later got purged for challenging His ego?

It's tough to say on Lucas. There are quotes of him sounding completely sane, and knowing exactly what's needed to make a solid film that both told a real (simple) story and fascinated peoples' ideas surrounding space and mysticism. He knew that the special effects were key, but as Handy(?) stated before me, they were the tools to the ends, not the ends in and of themselves. Then there are other times, when he started in with the Special Edition releases where he said that he'd have done so much more with the special effects had the technology and budget been available to him back in 1976. Well, he got that budget, and you can see what he did to his otherwise great films (IV and V).

Also, he acknowledged that he didn't have the greatest ability at script writing when writing the story outline for Empire, so he brought in some help. Kasdan and Kirshner took a good story outline and made a fantastic movie from it. Then Lucas inserted himself deeper into Return of the Jedi, and out popped the Teddy Bear Jamboree and the unwillingness to kill Han even though it should've happened.

[Kepler]

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The entire Comment stream is great on this.

There actually are genuinely witty and smart people out there.

About 1% of them.

[Kepler]

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[Handyman]

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Lucas' problem was he forgot his old philosophy...Special Effects are a tool to help the story they arent the story. The prequels were all flash and no real substance.

[rufus]

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Also Lawrence Kasden who wrote Empire and Return.

[solovsfett]

Was it just Lucas getting high on his own supply (the Mike Myers Effect) or were there other reasons that led to turning the franchise into a gibbering tweens' toy marketing scam in 6 and 1-3?

Or was Lucas always an idiot, right from the beginning, and he just caught lightning in a bottle with Ep 4 and 5, or he had somebody behind the scenes who delivered the real quality who later got purged for challenging His ego?

All of the above I think. Great idea to combine Kurosawa with old westerns and eastern mysticism and swashbuckling buck rogers type action however, Lucas did have a foil with him and when Lucas booted Gary Kurtz things changed radically.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer/amp/

[Kepler]

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True, sounds like Lucas and his prequels where everyone around him was simply cheerleading vs challenging him.

Was it just Lucas getting high on his own supply (the Mike Myers Effect) or were there other reasons that led to turning the franchise into a gibbering tweens' toy marketing scam in 6 and 1-3?

Or was Lucas always an idiot, right from the beginning, and he just caught lightning in a bottle with Ep 4 and 5, or he had somebody behind the scenes who delivered the real quality who later got purged for challenging His ego?

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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True, sounds like Lucas and his prequels where everyone around him was simply cheerleading vs challenging him.

To be fair, those scripts were beyond fixing.

[solovsfett]

The problem is Ridley had too much power. No one wanted to argue with him cause he is Ridley Scott. What everyone forgot is Ridley Scott hasnt exactly been setting the world on fire lately.

Prometheus was good but it should have been great. Scott seemed like he had good ideas but never really followed through with any of them. It ended up being disjointed...

True, sounds like Lucas and his prequels where everyone around him was simply cheerleading vs challenging him.

I think Scott's last big success was The Martian but I would think he's going to have to cast a couple of big stars and possibly hand over writing duties if he's going to be allowed to finish the Alien story and get us to the beginning of the original

[Handyman]

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That's a bummer. Even though these prequels could have been tightened up a bit (better character development etc)they've offered An opportunity to answer some great philosophical questions within that universe.

I hope THIS comes to fruition: http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/a...ovenant-sequel

The problem is Ridley had too much power. No one wanted to argue with him cause he is Ridley Scott. What everyone forgot is Ridley Scott hasnt exactly been setting the world on fire lately.

Prometheus was good but it should have been great. Scott seemed like he had good ideas but never really followed through with any of them. It ended up being disjointed...

[The Rube]

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That was a masterful piece of editing.

That was amazing.