115th Congress. In Bridge, Can Hearts be Trumped? In Spades!

[GrinCDXX]

Re: 115th Congress. In Bridge, Can Hearts be Trumped? In Spades!

She's not wrong on the first three, though you can argue exactly how much impact they had. 538's thesis is Comey played a much bigger role than commonly thought, since the polls had only started to factor in the impact of his actions by the last pre election polls.

Most of the discussion about what effect Comey had on the race only focuses on the last minute announcement about the reopening of the investigation. What's ignored is how off the reservation it was for him to publicly announce there would be no charges while also taking the opportunity to scold Clinton earlier in the summer--nothing like that has ever been the job of the FBI director. When that's taken into account, his effect was massive--just look at the trajectory of the polling after his press conference.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I think the idea that there are massive numbers of people who sat out the election because Hillary hurt their wittle feewies is greatly oversold by establishment Dems evading their responsibility for greasing a mendacious crone to the nomination.

Says the guy who gushed over a 74 year-old crank who couldn't be bothered to run a comb through his hair half the time.

Look, we know the Democrats need another "Hopey Changey" candidate to firmly unseat Trump in 2020. That doesn't mean they need to go with a full-on Euro socialist, OK?

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Yes, all of those are partially to blame. Especially the misogyny one.

It's the case that a good number of same people who voted for Obama wouldn't vote for a woman?

[unofan]

It's the case that a good number of same people who voted for Obama wouldn't vote for a woman?

Black men have always broken through various glass ceilings before women.

Look at someone like Pence, who won't eat dinner with a woman unless his wife is also present. Not the biggest slight in the world, but one that is still socially acceptable.

[Kepler]

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Says the guy who gushed over a 74 year-old crank who couldn't be bothered to run a comb through his hair half the time.

Look, we know the Democrats need another "Hopey Changey" candidate to firmly unseat Trump in 2020. That doesn't mean they need to go with a full-on Euro socialist, OK?

Hey, I'll take a hot socialist if you can find her!

[Kepler]

Re: 115th Congress. In Bridge, Can Hearts be Trumped? In Spades!

Black men have always broken through various glass ceilings before women.

I wonder if this is true as a rule.

[bronconick]

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I wonder if this is true as a rule.

Did for voting.

[Handyman]

Re: 115th Congress. In Bridge, Can Hearts be Trumped? In Spades!

Meanwhile. Hey, MITCH, yeah you TURTLE BOY. **** you.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/u...nnan.html?_r=0

Good lord...

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Black men have always broken through various glass ceilings before women.

Look at someone like Pence, who won't eat dinner with a woman unless his wife is also present. Not the biggest slight in the world, but one that is still socially acceptable.

While obviously Obama is black, that wasn't my point. Rather, that he was a Democrat like Hilary. Presumably someone like Pence wasn't going to vote for her regardless of her gender.

I assume all the High Elves and Numenoreans voted for her. All the Trolls, Orcs, and Balrogs voted against her for various reasons, misogyny, if you like. It doesn't matter because that's not enough to win or lose. She needed less than half of the good People of Gondor and Hobbits of the Shire. Hilary and Scooby are suggesting they are half misogynists?

I just want to be sure I'm getting it right.

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I wonder if this is true as a rule.

I don't really know. The first two contraries that popped in my head were Marie Curie won a Nobel 50 years before Ralph Bunche; Hattie McDaniel won an Oscar 24 years before Sidney Poitier.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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While obviously Obama is black, that wasn't my point. Rather, that he was a Democrat like Hilary. Presumably someone like Pence wasn't going to vote for her regardless of her gender.

I assume all the High Elves and Numenoreans voted for her. All the Trolls, Orcs, and Balrogs voted against her for various reasons, misogyny, if you like. It doesn't matter because that's not enough to win or lose. She needed less than half of the good People of Gondor and Hobbits of the Shire. Hilary and Scooby are suggesting they are half misogynists?

I just want to be sure I'm getting it right.

There's only one, maybe two females in that saga who weren't weak, weepy, and kept in their place. While it's fun to think of conservatives as Orcs, I'm not sure why we'd really consider that story a worthy testament to the power of the Sisterhood. It's a book about white dudes, written by a white dude, for a white dude audience.

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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There's only one, maybe two females in that saga who weren't weak, weepy, and kept in their place. While it's fun to think of conservatives as Orcs, I'm not sure why we'd really consider that story a worthy testament to the power of the Sisterhood. It's a book about white dudes, written by a white dude, for a white dude audience.

Don't make me go all Tolkien geeky on you, it wouldn't be pretty.

There have been lots of scholarly articles written on the subject of Tolkein's female characters, a great many of which argue exactly the opposite of what you're suggesting. I imagine there has been millions of words written on internet discussion boards as well on that very subject, so I won't add much to it here. While old J.R.R.'s female characters are relatively fewer in number, there are at least a dozen quite spectacular ones I can think of off the top of my head. As with everything Tolkien, there's always quite a bit more there than at first meets the eye.

[Kepler]

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While obviously Obama is black, that wasn't my point. Rather, that he was a Democrat like Hilary. Presumably someone like Pence wasn't going to vote for her regardless of her gender.

I assume all the High Elves and Numenoreans voted for her. All the Trolls, Orcs, and Balrogs voted against her for various reasons, misogyny, if you like. It doesn't matter because that's not enough to win or lose. She needed less than half of the good People of Gondor and Hobbits of the Shire. Hilary and Scooby are suggesting they are half misogynists?

I just want to be sure I'm getting it right.

The problem is the hobbits. There in the shire, far (they think) from danger, they live kind of feet up and mind in neutral so to speak. Politics is very much not their thing. They're essentially good, but they're simply not engaged, let alone heroic.

We always have enough pure numbers to beat the orcs. (I thought the Balrog was not a race but just one dude -- in the Harvard Lampoon parody, he was "The Ballhog," and I don't remember there being trolls at all in Tolkien though obviously I am old and senile.) The problem is most of our numbers go through life blissfully unaware of the evil growing in Mordor.

[Kepler]

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There's only one, maybe two females in that saga who weren't weak, weepy, and kept in their place. While it's fun to think of conservatives as Orcs, I'm not sure why we'd really consider that story a worthy testament to the power of the Sisterhood. It's a book about white dudes, written by a white dude, for a white dude audience.

I am willing to bet that Tolkien had absolutely no agenda in either direction for women in his works. Sometimes Gandalf's staff is just a staff.

[Handyman]

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The problem is the hobbits. There in the shire, far (they think) from danger, they live kind of feet up and mind in neutral so to speak. Politics is very much not their thing. They're essentially good, but they're simply not engaged, let alone heroic.

We always have enough pure numbers to beat the orcs. (I thought the Balrog was not a race but just one dude -- in the Harvard Lampoon parody, he was "The Ballhog," and I don't remember there being trolls at all in Tolkien though obviously I am old and senile.) The problem is most of our numbers go through life blissfully unaware of the evil growing in Mordor.

No there were more Balrogs in a previous age I do believe...

Yep