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  • Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
    No surprise that you’re both picky and wrong about how things are labeled:

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0015591
    Umm, OK, but if a placebo works as well as the med, the med isn't effective. And that isn't contingent on the placebo being dispensed as such. Placebos, by definition, are ineffective.

    This is waaaay obvious.

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    • Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post

      Umm, OK, but if a placebo works as well as the med, the med isn't effective. And that isn't contingent on the placebo being dispensed as such. Placebos, by definition, are ineffective.

      This is waaaay obvious.
      Very, very wrong. Placebos are often startlingly more effective than doing nothing.

      1. Google
      2. Post

      in that order.
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      • Seems like conservatives are concerned about the masculinity of a potato that stores its eyeballs in its butt.
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        • Let's be honest though. The potato heads were always the original trans toys. Who didn't give mr ph those lips and mrs ph the stache?
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          • Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
            Very, very wrong. Placebos are often startlingly more effective than doing nothing.

            1. Google
            2. Post

            in that order.
            I hope fish doesn’t work in research

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            • Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
              . Placebos, by definition, are ineffective.

              This is waaaay obvious.
              No, placebos are by definition inert. The placebo effect (having effective healing properties despite being nothing more than a sugar pill) is 100% real.

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              • Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                Very, very wrong. Placebos are often startlingly more effective than doing nothing.
                he said
                if a placebo works as well as the med, the med isn't effective
                which is absolutely true. No medication will be approved if the placebo group does as well as the drug group

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                • Originally posted by BassAle View Post

                  he said which is absolutely true. No medication will be approved if the placebo group does as well as the drug group
                  Yes, that part is true enough. But then he went on to say that placebos were ineffective “by definition,” which is where he took a 180 from Correctville.

                  If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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                  • Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                    Yes, that part is true enough. But then he went on to say that placebos were ineffective “by definition,” which is where he took a 180 from Correctville.
                    Nope... You go ahead and Google how many sugar pills were ever prescribed as an effective treatment for anything, then get back to us on that.

                    Truly, some subjects might possibly will themselves to live somewhat longer simply by dint of a glimmer of hope, but placebos have never cured Jack, and the placebo-effect (even if it exists) isn't even remotely quantifiable.

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                    • Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post

                      Nope... You go ahead and Google how many sugar pills were ever prescribed as an effective treatment for anything, then get back to us on that.

                      Truly, some subjects might possibly will themselves to live somewhat longer simply by dint of a glimmer of hope, but placebos have never cured Jack, and the placebo-effect (even if it exists) isn't even remotely quantifiable.
                      Uh, that's not the claim being made about placebos and completely misunderstands their purpose.

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                      • Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post

                        Nope... You go ahead and Google how many sugar pills were ever prescribed as an effective treatment for anything, then get back to us on that.

                        Truly, some subjects might possibly will themselves to live somewhat longer simply by dint of a glimmer of hope, but placebos have never cured Jack, and the placebo-effect (even if it exists) isn't even remotely quantifiable.
                        We should probably take this over to the Medical thread, but....

                        Study Suggests Common Knee Surgery's Effect Is Purely Placebo - Scientific American

                        There you go - an actual, approved procedure found to be no more effective than a placebo surgery, and yet the procedure is still authorized. So much for "treatments have to be more effective than placebo or they won't be approved."

                        There's no such thing as "the" placebo effect that can be quantified. You may as well ask what "the" effectiveness of medication is. That's too broad of a question to answer. But when you ask things like, "what's the effectiveness of this placebo relative to that procedure applied to these types of patients at a particular stage of disease," then you can make some progress.
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                          • Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post

                            Nope... You go ahead and Google how many sugar pills were ever prescribed as an effective treatment for anything, then get back to us on that.
                            You’d be surprised. Look up “hysteria” and it’s (very effective) treatment.
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                            • Sunshine is the best disinfectant, and I'm wagering this Lucero character comes from a deeply red district. This probably doesn't stand a chance in hell of passing, but he's trying to throw red meat to his base. Minnesota friends, how accurate is my assessment?

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                              • Jfc that guy is a cruel lunatic.

                                his district is pretty rural but yeah, it won’t go anywhere since the twin cities have enough non loonies

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