Gender Studies I

[Swansong]

Right wingers claim rates of "detransition" (going off hormones) are high, like 80-90%. Yet the regret rate remains at roughly 2%.

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/d...to-materialize

I mean, of course some trans people will de-transition. It would be foolish to argue otherwise. But what percentage? Low? Exceedingly low? So low as to barely be a rounding error?

I agree with you MissT. This is just more right wing nonsense.

[Swansong]

Coming soon in the GOP platform.



Judge a man by the company he keeps.

And again we see that heterosexuality is the only form of sexuality that must be enforced.

[RaceBoarder]

And again we see that heterosexuality is the only form of sexuality that must be enforced.

I've always been curious about the level of debauchery that is present in other, non-christian, fanatical religion. Specifically along the lines of what Christo-facists do here in the USA.

Like the famous line from a country song: "Five card poker on Saturday night, Church on Sunday Morning!".

Like those in the "ruling demographic" in the other religions have the same level of hypocrisy, right? I'm sure many are true believers, but I'm also sure that some just go along to be part of a group.

[Kepler]

I'd be willing to say everyone who identifies as a Christian sincerely believes in some sense. The vast majority likely believe in the cowardly conservative Pascal's Wager sense -- "Oh, Bluto, we might get in trouble!" That's likely always been the case -- the vast herd of humans of bovine intelligence analogize from their pappy whupping them as a child to Sky Daddy withholding the rain because they played with their winkie wrong. The craven Lewis-Chesterton bully boy Christianity where you puff out your chest and say "no contraception -- pregnancy is God's punishment for spreading your legs." That's maybe half of all Christians -- the dimwits and authoritarians.

Are they "believers"? I mean... they believe in the same way all religions have always terrorized large portions of their flocks. Pure Skinnerian Behaviorism. They trip over the first step on the Maslow Pyramid. We have them right here on the thread. They speak in cartoons. They self-ID.

While it's just an accident of birth that they are Christian -- they would have sopped up any faith their dad beat into them or their brood sow mewled about from Islam to Soviet Communism -- they have a "religious" sentiment in the same sense the horse fears the whip. And TBH, after almost a lifetime of wanting these people to be freed of that, the last decade plus has taught me there may have been wisdom in terrifying these dopes into cowering servility. Left to their own devices, they actually are rapists, murderers, thieves, criminals, and, for lack of a better word... conservatives.

[RaceBoarder]

I'd be willing to say everyone who identifies as a Christian sincerely believes in some sense. The vast majority likely believe in the cowardly conservative Pascal's Wager sense -- "Oh, Bluto, we might get in trouble!" That's likely always been the case -- the vast herd of humans of bovine intelligence analogize from their pappy whupping them as a child to Sky Daddy withholding the rain because they played with their winkie wrong. The craven Lewis-Chesterton bully boy Christianity where you puff out your chest and say "no contraception -- pregnancy is God's punishment for spreading your legs." That's maybe half of all Christians -- the dimwits and authoritarians.

Are they "believers"? I mean... they believe in the same way all religions have always terrorized large portions of their flocks. Pure Skinnerian Behaviorism. They trip over the first step on the Maslow Pyramid. We have them right here on the thread. They speak in cartoons. They self-ID.

While it's just an accident of birth that they are Christian -- they would have sopped up any faith their dad beat into them or their brood sow mewled about from Islam to Soviet Communism -- they have a "religious" sentiment in the same sense the horse fears the whip. And TBH, after almost a lifetime of wanting these people to be freed of that, the last decade plus has taught me there may have been wisdom in terrifying these dopes into cowering servility. Left to their own devices, they actually are rapists, murderers, thieves, criminals, and, for lack of a better word... conservatives.

I was speaking to the common masses that say on thing in Church (or temple or mosque) but then live their life the exact opposite.

Like the Southern Hillbilly who goes out and parties on Saturday night, but shows up Sunday Morning. They acknowledge the contradiction and bask in it. They don't believe in church as a spiritual sense, but 100% believe in it as a part of society/social culture.

Like do these types exist in Muslim culture? Why does Evangelicalism get to flaunt their hypocrisy while Muslims, Hindis, and others are actually beholden to their beliefs.

[Kepler]

They acknowledge the contradiction and bask in it. They don't believe in church as a spiritual sense, but 100% believe in it as a part of society/social culture.

What percentage of people actually have a demonstrable intellectual / spiritual aspect of their lives?

[MissThundercat]

What percentage of people actually have a demonstrable intellectual / spiritual aspect of their lives?

Having been raised in the church, I'd wager 70% of the congregation were only there because Mommy and Daddy passed it onto them and they were passing it on to their kids.

[RaceBoarder]

What percentage of people actually have a demonstrable intellectual / spiritual aspect of their lives?

That would be a way to put it.

The discussion just got me pondering the makeup of the Southern USA. Like 90%+ would consider themselves church-goers. But a good chunk of those people have no problem "sinning" (stuff like drinking, swearing, fighting, pre-marital sex, etc.) every weekend. And the contradiction is openly accepted as part of the social structure.

Yea, Preacher James and some of the more fanatical members of the church may look down on Tim for doing his thing on Saturday night, but overall it's accepted.

Whereas in Muslim countries, the same doesn't seem to be as out in the open and accepted. In that cultural/social structure, if Akman goes out and parties on Saturday night and then brags about his adventure in mosque on Sunday, he will face severe consequences it seems (from my outside, uninformed perspective).

[Kepler]

That would be a way to put it.

The discussion just got me pondering the makeup of the Southern USA. Like 90%+ would consider themselves church-goers. But a good chunk of those people have no problem "sinning" (stuff like drinking, swearing, fighting, pre-marital sex, etc.) every weekend. And the contradiction is openly accepted as part of the social structure.

Yea, Preacher James and some of the more fanatical members of the church may look down on Tim for doing his thing on Saturday night, but overall it's accepted.

Whereas in Muslim countries, the same doesn't seem to be as out in the open and accepted. In that cultural/social structure, if Akman goes out and parties on Saturday night and then brags about his adventure in mosque on Sunday, he will face severe consequences it seems (from my outside, uninformed perspective).

I'm not sure. We fixate on the ultra-orthodox Muzzies because, oh, I dunno



but I get the idea the truly insane ortho-Jews and ortho-Christians and ortho-Hindus will murder you too if you stray from The Path of Ahem Love.

The thing that seems to make the Chrypocrites like the evangelists unique is they go full on fulmination about fire and brimstone and then immediately expose themselves to damnation through their behavior. That is, if nothing else, incredibly stupid behavior. Granted, conservatives are both lazy and never take responsibility, but you would think if these hayseeds really believe in the literal existence of the Lake of Fire they would be a bit more careful.

But as a Catholic I don't get the sola fide thing. Apparently what you actually do doesn't count because you are predestined anyway. This has never made any sense to me.

[LynahFan]

I think a key difference is that in many of the places where those other religions are the dominant one, there is a blending of religion and state. Biff McBeerface might think twice about his preferred Saturday night bender if his preacher could run to the Sheriff and have him publicly flogged for it. Tends to suppress the overt acts of hypocrisy just a bit.

[Kepler]

I think a key difference is that in many of the places where those other religions are the dominant one, there is a blending of religion and state.

We're getting there. Give Alito and the Handmaid another couple terms.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I could be wrong (also a recovering Catholic), but I don't think sola fide is interpreted to mean, "Do whatever feels good. As long as you believe in salvation through Jeebus, welcome to Heaven."

Sola fide means that if you truly believe, that includes striving to live an Xtian lifestyle, thus the good deeds/works should happily and selflessly follow as part of being a true believer. You cannot simply buy your way into Heaven by racking up a bunch of insincere good works before and/or after you go out and commit premeditated murder.

[MissThundercat]

North Dakota families are suing the state over trans healthcare ban.

Good.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Drew and the incels gonna be big mad. Rolling Stone founder removed from rock and roll hall of fame after admitting the magazine excluded black and women artists because they weren’t “articulate” enough for him

[Kepler]

I could be wrong (also a recovering Catholic), but I don't think sola fide is interpreted to mean, "Do whatever feels good. As long as you believe in salvation through Jeebus, welcome to Heaven."

Sola fide means that if you truly believe, that includes striving to live an Xtian lifestyle, thus the good deeds/works should happily and selflessly follow as part of being a true believer. You cannot simply buy your way into Heaven by racking up a bunch of insincere good works before and/or after you go out and commit premeditated murder.

The implication of sola fide is behavior is immaterial to salvation. It isn't advice to orgy out, but it means no human can ever deserve grace, no matter what we do, because we are absolutely depraved.

I must admit, while Mediterranean Catholics believe a lot of sick and stupid stuff, we never quite got to that level of sick and stupid. Needed Northern Europeans butthurt about their sh-tty weather to come up with that craziness.