Gender Studies I

[MissThundercat]

Judges in Kentucky and Tennessee have blocked large portions of affirming care bans in Kentucky and Tennessee, reminding those states "you need to uphold the constitution."

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-...bans-rcna91832

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

The Gay Furries coming to support trans rights!

https://twitter.com/guardiannews/sta...3v2cVkMjQylOVg

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Conservatives spend a lot of time thinking about kids vaginas

https://www.reddit.com/r/fakehistory...t=1&utm_term=1

[MissThundercat]

Conservatives spend a lot of time thinking about kids vaginas

https://www.reddit.com/r/fakehistory...t=1&utm_term=1

And yet, they're SOOOOOOOO concerned with privacy!

[St. Clown]

Sadly, and I’m irritated a bit with myself for having the opinion, but I don’t think pre-HRT, or recently-begun-HRT trans women should compete against cisgender women in organized athletics where the outcome matters. These women have so much stacked against them in society, and I hate to add to it, but it might be the sacrifice needed to somehow garner greater eventual acceptance by the wider population.

I say this as a man who has no direct skin in the game, but I just think of my experience playing pickup, rec leagues and charity tournaments. I played against some women who’d recently finished their college careers (only one was ever from a high-caliber team) when I was at my lowly best as a ~30yo guy. I was about 240lbs, powerlifting, though not especially skilled on the ice. I could, however, skate fast and shoot a hard wrister. I didn’t dominate the younger women who were fit, but I rarely if ever lost out to them on the ice, easily boxing them out, away from my stick side so I could still pass or shoot.

While in none of the games I played did it ever matter the ability or history of the players, in NCAA athletics, AAU, or the Olympics, it does matter. Trans women come in all shapes and sizes, and if she’s built anything even remotely similar to how I was in my pre-injuries life, the competition just doesn’t have a fair shot against her. Add in any sort of decent talent, and she might be unstoppable.

With all of that said, trans women built like me are an extremely edge case, and I expect that we all know it.

[psych]

Sadly, and I’m irritated a bit with myself for having the opinion, but I don’t think pre-HRT, or recently-begun-HRT trans women should compete against cisgender women in organized athletics where the outcome matters. These women have so much stacked against them in society, and I hate to add to it, but it might be the sacrifice needed to somehow garner greater eventual acceptance by the wider population.

I say this as a man who has no direct skin in the game, but I just think of my experience playing pickup, rec leagues and charity tournaments. I played against some women who’d recently finished their college careers (only one was ever from a high-caliber team) when I was at my lowly best as a ~30yo guy. I was about 240lbs, powerlifting, though not especially skilled on the ice. I could, however, skate fast and shoot a hard wrister. I didn’t dominate the younger women who were fit, but I rarely if ever lost out to them on the ice, easily boxing them out, away from my stick side so I could still pass or shoot.

While in none of the games I played did it ever matter the ability or history of the players, in NCAA athletics, AAU, or the Olympics, it does matter. Trans women come in all shapes and sizes, and if she’s built anything even remotely similar to how I was in my pre-injuries life, the competition just doesn’t have a fair shot against her. Add in any sort of decent talent, and she might be unstoppable.

With all of that said, trans women built like me are an extremely edge case, and I expect that we all know it.

The last sentence of your first paragraph, “These women have so much stacked against them in society, and I hate to add to it, but it might be the sacrifice needed to somehow garner greater eventual acceptance by the wider population”, seems unlikely to happen. Not to mention unnecessary. The trans community have suffered enough and sacrificed enough. You are likely a very accepting person, and a frequent ally of LGBTQ causes. If trans people are unable to get you behind their cause on this issue, to be accepted as equals to their cis counterparts, how do you expect those, who are far less accepting than you, to do so? It just seems implausible to me. If I were someone continuing to receive said sacrifices for my comfort and stability through my power, I’d keep my power rather than give it up and grant equality. Why not grant it now?
The main arguments against trans female inclusion (no one has an issue with trans males competing) clearly seem to be about competitiveness and having a chance at winning the respective competition for cis females. How either of those things outweighs the continued chronic negative outcomes, including and up to increased suicidality for trans female athletes, is still beyond me.

[MissThundercat]

Good on him for calling out his mother.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/07/...z7vCHryd5Arhlw

[Kepler]

Sieve, sieve, sieve.

[MissThundercat]

A trans woman won Miss Netherlands and is advancing to Miss Universe.

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/09/11866...-miss-universe

[Slap Shot]

For lack of perhaps a better thread, but maybe the kids will be alright.

[French Rage]

For lack of perhaps a better thread, but maybe the kids will be alright.

Lisa: Generation [Z] may be shallow, but at least they have tolerance and respect for all people.

[Kepler]

How on earth could any younger generation not scarred by war not be shallow?

I don't understand this criticism of 20- and 30-somethings. Of course they're shallow, self-absorbed, inept try-hards -- they just spent 20 years on our academic conveyor belt, where that is what is rewarded. They have had no responsibilities. There has been nothing to age them and make them thoughtful and nuanced.

Yes, there have been exceptions, but not many in American history, and none recently. How is that on Gen Z that they didn't have to fly bombing raids over Germany or throw grenades into Pacific island machine gun nests at age 20? Nobody since the Greatests endured that, and all were as vacuuous into their 40s.

Every non-poor white person under the age of 80 born in this country was spoiled.

The dream is to raise children who can be gradually eased into adulthood without trauma. Now you take a generation where that happened -- for that matter, the fourth consecutive one -- and attack them for our plan for them, and for the exact same behavior demonstrated by that age group for the last 8 decades?

Madness.

[French Rage]

Listen, I just wanted to use the Simpsons quote to point out that as much as people always crap on successive generations, they in the end are more accepting and tolerant than the previous, and that's always a good thing. Especially given that any criticism of a newer generation is based off of a handful of people in that newer generation, and the previous generation also had the same handful of a-holes, as did every generation before. Every generation is 10% great people, 10% losers, and 80% in between; that will never change, but if we can improve the moral and ethical baseline for each such generation we're still on the right track.

[Kepler]

Listen, I just wanted to use the Simpsons quote to point out that as much as people always crap on successive generations, they in the end are more accepting and tolerant than the previous, and that's always a good thing. Especially given that any criticism of a newer generation is based off of a handful of people in that newer generation, and the previous generation also had the same handful of a-holes, as did every generation before. Every generation is 10% great people, 10% losers, and 80% in between; that will never change, but if we can improve the moral and ethical baseline for each such generation we're still on the right track.

2:7:1. Else agree.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Some Islamic community leaders are embracing the GQP, who started making outreach efforts last year. It makes sense - the intertwining of religion and fascist political ideology isn't exclusive to Xtianity.