Gender Studies I

[Kepler]

Space Karen bans "cis" from twitter.

[MissThundercat]

Space Karen bans "cis" from twitter.

But he's all about free speech...

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Lance Armstrong enters the transgenders in sports convo

https://twitter.com/soledadobrien/st...3v2cVkMjQylOVg

[dxmnkd316]

I hate that I used to love and respect that guy

[Swansong]

The frustrating thing is that yes, there is a world where one can be open and welcoming to trans folks and simultaneously have questions about fairness. Unfortunately, that world is tiny and completely crowded out by disingenuous people that use those same questions for the sole purpose of further confusing the issue and excluding trans people.

I get the exasperation from some well-meaning people that are trying to educate themselves. But they - we - all need to understand that you get attacked because for every one person that has genuine, well-intentioned questions, there are hundreds of hateful ****heels.

[ericredaxe]

The frustrating thing is that yes, there is a world where one can be open and welcoming to trans folks and simultaneously have questions about fairness. Unfortunately, that world is tiny and completely crowded out by disingenuous people that use those same questions for the sole purpose of further confusing the issue and excluding trans people.

I get the exasperation from some well-meaning people that are trying to educate themselves. But they - we - all need to understand that you get attacked because for every one person that has genuine, well-intentioned questions, there are hundreds of hateful ****heels.

I'm not sure that world is as small as you think. There are a lot of people who are very supportive of LGBTQ+ rights but also question/doubt the fairness as it comes to trans-women competing in women's sports. I'd put myself in that category along with many others i know (including gay women athletes). When I entered a discussion about it on here, I was told I was misogynistic and that i was a transphobic nazi.

So yeah - doping aside, Lance is probably correct in this case that there does not seem to be much space to be able to discuss it.

[Swansong]

I'm not sure that world is as small as you think. There are a lot of people who are very supportive of LGBTQ+ rights but also question/doubt the fairness as it comes to trans-women competing in women's sports. I'd put myself in that category along with many others i know (including gay women athletes). When I entered a discussion about it on here, I was told I was misogynistic and that i was a transphobic nazi.

So yeah - doping aside, Lance is probably correct in this case that there does not seem to be much space to be able to discuss it.

Fair enough, perhaps it isn't "tiny", but it's 100% overshadowed by the "less than genuine" people.

Honestly, I had the same questions. I talked to the couple of trans friends/acquaintances I have and asked them their thoughts. I read comments from athletes. I read interviews with healthcare providers. Basically, I went about educating myself. We all can do this. But I was yelled at too, at first. It's all good.

Remember, we - potential allies - are asking the same "questions' the CHUDs are, so give the trans folks some slack when they respond the same way.

[Kepler]

Sincere questions are typically fine, but the context is the phobes constant hiding behind "questions" to drive their bigoted agenda.

Lance is defending "just asking questions" whether Blacks are intellectual inferiors or Jews sacrifice babies. I mean, a nuanced exchange of ideas is always good, right?

[Kepler]

So yeah - doping aside, Lance is probably correct in this case that there does not seem to be much space to be able to discuss it.

Perhaps, but I'd rather err on the side of the persecuted. The over-the-top bigotry against trans people is what created the environment in which this type of reaction is seen as likely just another attack on them. You are conveniently erasing all they have been through and saying "but why can't we just have a calm discussion?" Yeah, no. You don't get to do that. Their pain's real and relevant. Your cis daughter's minor inconvenience just aint makin' it.

Step 1 for calm discussion: stop the right wing f-ckwits' demonizing these people and questioning their right to exist. Then we'll talk about the all important question of whether precious little Erika may be facing unfair competition on her tennis team.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Nyt pitchbot perfectly sums up the lance angle

https://twitter.com/dougjballoon/sta...3v2cVkMjQylOVg

[unofan]

The over-the-top bigotry against trans people is what created the environment in which this type of reaction is seen as likely just another attack on them.

To an extent, sure. But speaking as someone who is not left of Bernie and therefore the equivalent of a Republican to a certain ilk on this board and elsewhere, that's not 100% of the story. Some people just want to be offended at every little thing, and it's amplified by social media where people of all beliefs and ideologies can self-select into their own safe spaces and any challenge from any angle will be treated by the group as offensive and hostile.

So yes, the MAGA crew represents an existential threat to this country, and especially to minorities of all forms, and we can all agree on that on this board. But biting the heads off people because they only agree with you on 95% of issues instead of 100 percent is not a winning strategy long term.

[RaceBoarder]

Perhaps, but I'd rather err on the side of the persecuted. The over-the-top bigotry against trans people is what created the environment in which this type of reaction is seen as likely just another attack on them. You are conveniently erasing all they have been through and saying "but why can't we just have a calm discussion?" Yeah, no. You don't get to do that. Their pain's real and relevant. Your cis daughter's minor inconvenience just aint makin' it.

Step 1 for calm discussion: stop the right wing f-ckwits' demonizing these people and questioning their right to exist. Then we'll talk about the all important question of whether precious little Erika may be facing unfair competition on her tennis team.

This is MAGA, but from the Left.

[MissThundercat]

"Stop demonizing me and leave me the hell alone" is not "MAGA from the Left," regardless of how much you want it to be.

What you're deliberately doing is confusing frustration with irrationality and accountability with persecution. It's basically "not all men," but with cis people. And while it may not be all men, white people cis people, cishets, whatever, it's enough. It's too many.

[ericredaxe]

There you have it… it took all of one post from Kepler to demonstrate that in this case Lance is correct.

[MissThundercat]

"Why can't we have a calm conversation over trans athletes in sports?"

I can think of a few reasons.

A. The conversation started with panic and hysteria.
B. The thoughts, feelings, and experiences of trans athletes have either been minimized or disregarded entirely.
C. Successful trans athletes, such as Lia, were quickly demonized.
D. Lack of solutions other than "keep em out" or "can't they form their own league?"
E. There was no real effort to cut the panic and hysteria off early.
F.. The rhetoric has largely been "Keep Trans Katie off the track team because she might hurt Cis Susie."
G. Silence while state governments have authorized genital inspections of teenagers.

And while some of you may not have directly thrown gas on the fire, you really didn't do anything to cut it off or replace it with anything productive.

Now that so many of you are being consumed in the fire of your making, rightfully so might I add, you want to sit there and play victim. I'm not having it. Let it burn.