Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order

[Scarlet]

Oh, and one more thing that worries me a little.

Did anyone else watch Donald's body language when he was speaking to the press with Obama? He looked terribly disinterested and bored. It was the kind of posture you see a bored husband take if he was dragged to a baby shower. Just staring off in space and to try and fool everyone that he was paying attention he would flick his attention back to Obama and raise his entire brow. That's the kid of face I make when I'm trying to feign interest.

There was a funny meme yesterday that showed him and Obama sitting in chairs and the caption was they looked like husbands waiting around while their wives tried on dresses at Lord & Taylor.

[JF_Gophers]

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I didn't realize a day would come where I needed to explain the Electoral College to my educated friends.

[The Sicatoka]

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"They voted for him out of frustration and anger — and also out of hope that he would bring change." -- Sen. Elizabeth Warren

That's nearly a direct quote of my sister and her husband, both business owners, last night when I finally asked "the question".
Oh, and he (and their awesome kids, with the greatest uncle ever mind you ) are American Indian.

[The Sicatoka]

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I didn't realize a day would come where I needed to explain the Electoral College to my educated friends.

Someone has to teach them. There's a difference between education and knowing and understanding.

[The Sicatoka]

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Not so good when an MSNBC anchor is questioning the protests.

"What kind of a statement is it really there to make? They lost." -- Chris Matthews, MSNBC

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...they_lost.html

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I didn't realize a day would come where I needed to explain the Electoral College to my educated friends.

Around 60 million people voted for Trump. Do you really believe this country is overloaded with smart people, educated or otherwise? Most of Trump's voters are so stupid they are probably still trying to figure out what electricity has to do with the Electrical College.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Wouldn't agree with all of that. Right, wrong or indifferent, Obama did try to get healthcare to all the poor (many of whom had none) and is slowly losing that battle due to the insurance industry and GOP subversion. That's as much good for them as about any president in our generation has delivered.

As far as Trump goes, he's campaigned on 'fixing the inner cities' as they're so dangerous and rebuilding small town and coal mining regions with government funds. Major governmental welfare expansion promises. Anyone want to bet on any real progress there?

Yeah, he "tried" by forcing them to pay for it one way or another (either coverages that have exploded in cost to us year over year, or a tax that has exploded in amount year over year). The only thing that does is expand the divide between "the 99%" and "the 1%". Real fine support of the poor there, keeping them in perpetual enslavement to the government...

Regarding "fixing the inner cities", the only way that's going to happen is through support from the mayors of the cities themselves. Sure, he can lead them by example, and considering the sore losers are tearing up the cities as I type this, maybe it's time for the mayors to take a stand.

Not sure where you're getting the whole subsidizing of coal mining regions, unless you're making an inference from the rust belt vote...

[Handyman]

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oops!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/musli...ry?id=43442471

Well she sucks. I assume now you think all of them are lying right...

[FlagDUDE08]

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Around 60 million people voted for Trump. Do you really believe this country is overloaded with smart people, educated or otherwise? Most of Trump's voters are so stupid they are probably still trying to figure out what electricity has to do with the Electrical College.

And yet, ripping up a city because someone lost an election is smart? How about the self-victimization in order to gain attention, yeah that's REAL smart...

[FlagDUDE08]

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"They voted for him out of frustration and anger — and also out of hope that he would bring change." -- Sen. Elizabeth Warren

That's nearly a direct quote of my sister and her husband, both business owners, last night when I finally asked "the question".
Oh, and he (and their awesome kids, with the greatest uncle ever mind you ) are American Indian.

We've seen this song and dance in 2008... let's see if the gloaters actually try some vigilance...

[Handyman]

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burd

The pizzed off electorate in the primaries should have been a warning sign. In a "normal" world, HRC and a centrist GOP (Jeb!?) should have crushed the opposition by spring training or Opening Day (must always be capitalized).

Not this year. Bernie did very well and won rust belt states. tD channelled Howard Beall and left the 13 dwarves wondering what happened. The warning signs were there. But "the will not to believe" overrode what the eyes saw and the ears heard.

The blame for the Dems loss goes to the DNC and the HRC campaign. They were the 2016 equivalent of Tom Dewey. Don't blame the voters who are mad as heck and refuse to take it anymore. The Dems misread the electorate and paid the price. The elites misread/pooh pooed tD as a buffoon and every time they belittled tD, the little guy felt it.

There are a lot of good articles in the liberal press (I read the WaPo and Boston Globe each day) that are beginning to analyze the election to see where they went wrong. One of the better ones said the press took tD literally but not seriously while the electorate took tD seriously but not literally. Thit, even Fox News is guilty of that.

Now, for better or for worse, tD is the president-elect. Let's see what has been rolled out by Memorial Day to see if tD was literal or figurative.

Be the loyal opposition. Hold the GOP accountable. Pray, as I do, that compromise and good old fashioned horse trading (and pork) return to the Hill. If we screw up, tell us. Offer an alternative. Point out the flaws, as you see them, in the legislation. I promise I'll read them and not denounce you as some narcissist twit. We'll argue, civilly I hope, and since we can't solve a darn thing, hope that our political masters do the same and get some work done.

With that, my retired fat arse is returning to bed. A word of advice - taking care of an aging relative is like taking care of a baby. Sleep is a luxury you grab when you can

Dont blame the voters? They voted (or chose not to) the only people to blame are the voters. I dont care how mad you are if you choose to vote for a Fascist you dont get to play the "it isnt my fault" card. He didnt hide who he was, they knew what they were doing. When he screws them, they dont get to complain about it.

It all comes down to choice...the Dem voters could have voted for Bernie in the Primaries and didnt. The average voter could have voted against hatred and in the General and didnt. The people themselves could have stopped this and they were too lazy or moronic to do so. I dont care if you are mad you dont burn down your house because the windows are broken.

And funny...I dont remember you saying any of this when Obama was elected...funny how that is.

[Handyman]

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Subscribed because I've moved on to acceptance.

I'm not a huge fan of having Keith Ellison run the DNC. I know he's more in touch with groups like BLM, but I'm not sure I want him being the face of the DNC. The kind of tactics that he's been part of and his son have been associated with might not be the best if they are trying to "re-court" the angry white men. A portion of the AWM are angry because they've been left behind by he plutocrats. That's what they need to target. I am coming around on the idea that we can't call them racists since that won't win them back. I'm not sure how you court them without addressing the soft racism of ignorance of other demos' struggles.

Maybe I'm off about this though.

I think I would like to see Dean get it. I'm not sure what the general feeling is about either of them or how well Dean ran it.

I don't know because when he was in charge, I was fairly outspoken against the Democrats. I think both I and the parties have shifted since then. The 50-state strategy seems like a better plan.

They arent recourting the angry white voter...Warren and Sanders want to go left and bring in all the liberals and the Progressives. They will deal with the Rust Belt in different ways but the idea of Ellison is to drop the "Centrist" Agenda, go away from courting Wall Street and be the true Party of the Left. What Warren wants is for the Party to go Anti-Clinton and they need to. That is why she doesnt want Dean to get the job.

Ellison can do the same 50 state agenda that Dean did...and he can also shore up the constituencies of the minorities and the "Never Hillarys/Bernie Bros". They lost because 5-7 million Liberals stayed home...those people listen to Ellison type politicians. (hence his re-election)

[WeAreNDHockey]

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I agree that 6M dem voters who didn't vote for Hillary are dumb but telling them that might not be the best strategy

Actually it might be. I am tired of living in a world where we let people do dumb things without telling them they are doing dumb things. Trump just won the presidency by discarding any semblance of filters. I say it's time to speak to people in loud clear words exactly how stupidly they've behaved. Some of the bad things that are going to happen in the coming months and years were going to happen no matter who won on Tuesday. But plenty of them are going to be because 6 million Democratic voters were dumb. They need to be told that. Again and again.

[mookie1995]

For Those That Believe in Miracles

Makes some interesting points...there is like no chance obviously but it is a fun idea.

Nice to see they are green and recycling stories from 2000

That too suggested EV'ers cast their ballots using their conscious

[mookie1995]

Actually it might be. I am tired of living in a world where we let people do dumb things without telling them they are doing dumb things. Trump just won the presidency by discarding any semblance of filters. I say it's time to speak to people in loud clear words exactly how stupidly they've behaved. Some of the bad things that are going to happen in the coming months and years were going to happen no matter who won on Tuesday. But plenty of them are going to be because 6 million Democratic voters were dumb. They need to be told that. Again and again.

Good luck with that