Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order

[burd]

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do we spend something like 90% of health care dollars on the first month and last 6 months of life?

without government mandated coverage for old people we would inadvertently control and correct the social security problem

But we can't address the latter with advance directives, mookie, because of DEATH SQUADS! Sarah says it is so.

[ScoobyDoo]

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I remember. Obamacare was supposed to introduce competition between insurance companies for millions of people put on the rolls. It also was supposed to help prevent the epidemic of people having to declare bankruptcy just because they got sick.

Instead the competition decreased. The insurance companies don't want those people. But, hey, if they're going to get them they're going to charge for them.

How does privatizing Medicare any different? It's not. It's so interesting that the most successful health care plan in the United States is the one that the Republicans want to "fix". If that doesn't tell people something, what will? I have that answer as well. NOTHING.

[mookie1995]

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But we can't address the latter with advance directives, mookie, because of DEATH SQUADS! Sarah says it is so.

death squad just another way of saying insurance

[Handyman]

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New York Times editor asks why Dems would put Black, Muslim Congressman as DNC head in face of Trumpism

And again, the winners are in the comments:

That editor is a moron. I get what he is saying...but you dont combat a racist by being a racist.

[geezer]

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I wonder how Trump voters will feel when they kill Obamacare and the cost of medical care continues to rise?

Somehow I don't think that finding a new random boogeyman to pin the problems on will give them any trouble.
Health care seems to be one of those things, like interstate highways and military forces, where any half-measure is likely to be worse than all-or-nothing (privatize or go single-payer). When you partially privatize with all kinds of regulations and decrees and rules about who needs to be covered for what, costs are obviously going to skyrocket to cover those costs. Either give us our money back, or tax everyone, FOR everyone. Do one or the other. It looks like Trump is going to go along with Obama's 'death by a thousand nibbles' approach instead.
I for one see a clear societal obligation to cover for the people that really need help, so: single-payer.

[Jimjamesak]

That editor is a moron. I get what he is saying...but you dont combat a racist by being a racist.

Which was pretty much the crux of the article. There's been this movement from the MSM that the Dems need to court these "working class whites" that Trump "won" and a lot of liberals are basically saying "wait a tick."

[rufus]

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Yep. Simplest solution is Medicare for all, and increase taxes by some amount, but less than what it would cost for them to buy private insurance. In the long run, it becomes cheaper per patient because now you have a pool of millions of healthy individuals paying in and using fewer(comparitively) services, instead of your pool of patients being the oldest and sickest of society.

[burd]

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At the very least, we should learn from this election. Here's what I come away with.

Those who voted for Trump are deplorable.
Those who consider themselves Republicans are vile and loathsome.
Gopher fans are somewhere beneath the above.

[geezer]

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And from the second paragraph in that article:

Funded a police force. Homes for their workers. A community as it were. Because these business owners realized that they were a community, their fortunes rose and fell with teach other. Together.

That's the huge lesson that today's corporatist America has forgotten, or just ignores outright. Now it's every man out for themselves, and grab yourself the biggest share of the pie you can. Everyone else can, in the words of Donald Trump, "go fuk themselves".

I'm living in a ghost town created in such a way by a bunch of Boston investors to mine copper. Life really, really, sucked for those people stuck in paternalistic company towns. Something like 1/30 died on the job. Those injured too severely to work were given 30 days to move out of the company's house. They were essentially a slave labor force. My great-grandfather moved to Detroit to work for Mr. Ford and thought he was in paradise after hauling rock for 10 years from the age of 12.
The police forces, schools, stores, libraries, churches, sports teams, parks, EVERYTHING reinforced the company's position of power. There were a lot of deaths in strikes a hundred years ago before the gov't took back some of that power by requiring workers comp, overtime, etc. and the unions gained some negotiating traction in exchange for giving up communist agitation. (everywhere except on the Iron Range )
The capitalists and regulators have been at odds ever since, and it's worked pretty well for the most part.

[Slap Shot]

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At the very least, we should learn from this election. Here's what I come away with.

Those who voted for Trump are deplorable.
Those who consider themselves Republicans are vile and loathsome.
Gopher fans are somewhere beneath the above.

Methinks thou...

[FlagDUDE08]

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Clinton invited to an administrative position... Ambassador to Libya. https://ihavethetruth.com/2016/11/10...lary-key-role/

[Handyman]

Which was pretty much the crux of the article. There's been this movement from the MSM that the Dems need to court these "working class whites" that Trump "won" and a lot of liberals are basically saying "wait a tick."

I don't want to court then but they need to listen to them. The Dems need to go left.

[geezer]

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At the time, I never thought a little harmless fun would plant the seeds of apocalyptic destruction. It's like the first half of Carrie, but much much worse.

[Handyman]

At the very least, we should learn from this election. Here's what I come away with.

Those who voted for Trump are deplorable.
Those who consider themselves Republicans are vile and loathsome.
Gopher fans are somewhere beneath the above.

Minnesota stayed Blue...unlike the state you reside in and the one you cheer for

[burd]

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Minnesota stayed Blue...unlike the state you reside in and the one you cheer for

Alas, my brothers in ND are a political lost cause. Wisconsin? I'm at a loss.