Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order

[ScoobyDoo]

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I can have empathy for the people in these situations

I can't.

[Jimjamesak]

I can't.

And that would be why you're a terrible person...

[Jimjamesak]

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New York Times editor asks why Dems would put Black, Muslim Congressman as DNC head in face of Trumpism

And again, the winners are in the comments:

Here’s the thing though. Democrats did. I reposted this all over the place today, but it bears repeating.

Democrats have TONS of programs to help people out. Under the Obama administration, more than 15 government agencies have executed coordinated efforts in about 1,800 communities nationwide. HERE’S a map of what that looks like. Programs like the Promise Zones. Many of these have been very successful. The opportunities are there. Granted, none of these plans are perfect, and they don’t address each and every community… The GOP has done **** all.

America is still the No. 2 manufacturing country in terms of overall output and percentage of our GPD. Unemployment is super low and the economy is pretty good already. Its not that their jobs aren’t coming back, its that their SPECIFIC jobs are not coming back to the EXACT geographic location as where they were before.

The country is just bigger, more automated and and there are a **** ton more of us. Its not that anyone has been left behind. Things just change like they always do. Economically depressed areas shift location, depending on what year it is, and what the industry is. Clean coal? Never coming back. For good reason. That’s not called getting left behind. That’s the inevitable march of time.

The Democrats offer the only realistic help for them. Sure, both parties contributed to these problems (arguable equally) but Dems are the only ones with a realistic way out. The Republicans just lie. Republicans gutted these communities. By actively suppressing a higher minimum wage so that the existing jobs are more economically viable, failing to support affordable housing and cheaper education. Eroding the **** out of tax bases and failing to support a higher income tax for top earners. The only reason people blame the Democrats for their problems is because we’re so ****ing condescending. But that’s a two way street. You can only explain so many times that we need to raise the minimum wage to a room full of people who mistakenly believe that will hurt business.

Clinton didn’t do a great job of addressing specific economically depressed regions, but her plans were in place too. Some people just aren’t going to listen.

[Kepler]

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Some people just aren’t going to listen.

That's it in a nutshell.

We on the left need to be forward-looking and constructive. That's our strong suit: we've got the training as analytical thinkers and the education to understand all that has come before, what has worked, what hasn't. We need to listen to our think tanks, advocate for good policy, and connect up for people how our policies are better for them than the alternative.

The right will do none of this. Reactionary by nature ("standing athwart progress yelling 'halt!'), and irrational in its current incarnation, it will continue its same strategy of demonizing The Other and frightening people into voting for them. All well and good. When they lie, respond calmly but firmly and call them on it.

When it comes to elections, remember that although we are the reality-based community and our policies are the result of thinking and empirical testing, most people in the electorate vote emotionally. Be smart. Don't nominate a gargoyle of the establishment in an anti-establishment year. If the hemline is bombast, find some flamboyant hood ornament who can rock a crowd. Thatt will be especially easy now because the GOP IS THE ESTABLISHMENT (lotsa luck there, sparky). If camo is in, put up a fruit-salad decorated vet. Be smart. This doesn't mean we change a thing about the nuts and bolts of policy -- we just market it as Happy Fun Ball! rather than With A Name Like 10,000 Nuns and Orphans. Play the game.

[5mn_Major]

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So if private insurance didn't want to cover the bottom 30%...why will it want to cover the elderly? Health insurance makes uuge money by cherry picking the healthy. Either the companies will walk away or insurance hikes would break every last elderly while melting down and flushing every penny in their bank account down the toilet.

[Slap Shot]

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1. Telling dumb people they are dumb isn't going to make them smart
-And a lot of intelligent people voted for Trump my parents included. Neither are racist, misogynist nor homophobic
2. Educate and provide information
-The best way to overcome the "dumb" is pump the airwaves full of information. I hated, hated, hated how much time was spent on pu$$y-gate because HRC would win in a landslide on policy alone.
3. While I agree that the HRC campaign messed up in several ways ("deplorables" hurt more than I think anyone thought it would) it's the height of hypocrisy for Trumpsters to claim liberals are the only ones that do it.
-There is no ivory tower folks. Visit any site that discusses politics that strays from the mostly civil tone this place takes and there are just as many Trumpsters calling Hillsters idiots as the reverse.

I wasn't as vocal as Scooby but I had bad feelings about this election for months because of the media, because of the furor, because as much as I enjoyed Bill's tenure Bush/Clinton resonated. The GOP was smart enough to reject Jeb - the Dems didn't follow suit.

[Almington]

Some of our parents already don't have insurance they can afford.

That's not going to change when Obamacare goes away. The insurance companies are going to keep charging as much as they can, I don't see why they would drop rates.

The costs of medical care have been rising faster than inflation for decades. Eventually, the majority of people were going to be priced out of the unlimited medical care market, regardless of the existence of Obamacare.

[Slap Shot]

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btw I don't think Trump wants anything to with the religious right the man can't even cite a single Bible passage, but my biggest fear is that like Reagan he surrounds himself with a bunch of crooks. He truly is a fish out of water that could very well allow a seriously evil set of advisers have their way and at that point all bets are off. Here's praying for something better.

[Almington]

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If they want to privatize Medicare (and Social Security for that matter) they should just figure out the net current value of everyone's contributions and pay that out to everybody and cancel the employee potion of the FICA tax and only keep the employer potion of FICA tax until the special bonds used to fund the one-time payments are paid off.

None of this voucher nonsense. You want to kill these programs, fine. Just give me back my **** money.

[Handyman]

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Yeah, my oldest who is graduating this year had to walk past that and see it.

Good lord...that would me puke.

[Kepler]

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That's not going to change when Obamacare goes away. The insurance companies are going to keep charging as much as they can, I don't see why they would drop rates.

The costs of medical care have been rising faster than inflation for decades. Eventually, the majority of people were going to be priced out of the unlimited medical care market, regardless of the existence of Obamacare.

I wonder how Trump voters will feel when they kill Obamacare and the cost of medical care continues to rise?

[Handyman]

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Immigration and equality issues aside, I'd be far more comfortable with Trump making policy than I would with Ryan. That guy wants to destroy every social safety net this country has, and give all that money to the rich.

Paul Ryan is one of those clowns that believe teachers are money grubbers and people making 250k are oppressed by taxes. He and his devil spawn in WI like Scott Walker are a cancer. They dont even pretend to care about anyone lower than upper Middle Class.

You know what really makes me sick...how many of these jerkoffs spray painting Swastikas and preaching Nazi Like hate probably revere their relatives that fought in WWII. They dont even get that their granparents are probably rolling over in their graves.

[burd]

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I wonder how Trump voters will feel when they kill Obamacare and the cost of medical care continues to rise?

That's the thing. Anecdotal examples of how someone's mother's health care costs went up last year appeal to emotion but contribute nothing to the real analysis. There is a reason Clinton I took on the challenge: health care cost were rising at an annual rate that was making health care unaffordable to the average worker. Hospital administrators and trustees saw this and were preparing for a change they knew had to come before Obamacare came along.

[rufus]

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So if private insurance didn't want to cover the bottom 30%...why will it want to cover the elderly? Health insurance makes uuge money by cherry picking the healthy. Either the companies will walk away or insurance hikes would break every last elderly while melting down and flushing every penny in their bank account down the toilet.

Or, once Medicare is privatized, and even if the elderly are given the equivalent of what it would cost to serve them as vouchers to buy private insurance, insurance companies make their profits by denying services to people. So the elderly will have needed procedures, which their new private insurance will refuse to cover, so they either go without needed procedures/medicines, or pay for them out of their own pocket.

Neither is a good option, and neither will help them as much as Medicare coverage does.

[mookie1995]

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do we spend something like 90% of health care dollars on the first month and last 6 months of life?

without government mandated coverage for old people we would inadvertently control and correct the social security problem