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  • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

    Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
    Even if we allocated all of a states electorates to the winner of the overall popular vote in the presidential election, the smaller states would still be "over represented" as the ratio of senator/congress to population as compared to the larger states.
    again, that is the way we were founded. a collection of united states. the founders wanted to guarantee that states were represented. we are not a country like france.

    aren't we special? unique?

    this is how we roll.
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    • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

      Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
      Would it work for mookie if a popular vote for president was the founders wanted? Per wiki:

      "Some delegates, including James Wilson and James Madison, preferred popular election of the executive. Madison acknowledged that while a popular vote would be ideal, it would be difficult to get consensus on the proposal given the prevalence of slavery in the South"

      Playing hardball in the 18th century has worked out quite well for the south in the 21st century.
      maybe. mookie just thinks that it works.

      if we go to national popular, is there a further use of the primary season? why bother giving iowa and new hampshire the first cut? just have a national primary then in august before the convention (or after perhaps. let everyone get their time then to make a case)? then use sept and oct to runoff the general national election.

      cut the season down. remove the need for billions of dollars spent.

      mookie don't know.... but it would have consequences. because there truly would be NO need to have these stupid state staggered primaries.
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      • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

        Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
        maybe. mookie just thinks that it works.

        if we go to national popular, is there a further use of the primary season? why bother giving iowa and new hampshire the first cut? just have a national primary then in august before the convention (or after perhaps. let everyone get their time then to make a case)? then use sept and oct to runoff the general national election.

        cut the season down. remove the need for billions of dollars spent.

        mookie don't know.... but it would have consequences. because there truly would be NO need to have these stupid state staggered primaries.
        Good question. I guess so. The primaries purpose is to select the nominee of each party with the added feature that there are electors from each state. I suppose you could just have three big national votes...one for each nominee, one for the president.
        Go Gophers!

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        • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

          Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
          maybe. mookie just thinks that it works.

          if we go to national popular, is there a further use of the primary season? why bother giving iowa and new hampshire the first cut? just have a national primary then in august before the convention (or after perhaps. let everyone get their time then to make a case)? then use sept and oct to runoff the general national election.

          cut the season down. remove the need for billions of dollars spent.

          mookie don't know.... but it would have consequences. because there truly would be NO need to have these stupid state staggered primaries.
          I completely think there should be a one day national primary. Really why should a somewhat obscure state like Iowa have such an impact on who the next president might or might not be?

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          • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

            Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
            again, that is the way we were founded. a collection of united states. the founders wanted to guarantee that states were represented. we are not a country like france.

            aren't we special? unique?

            this is how we roll.
            I understand this is how we were founded, but the United States is very different today than it was in the 1700's is it not? There is no harm in adapting and tweaking the structure.

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            • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

              If people think think living in Wyoming gives you more representative power, and that concerns them, nothing prohibits those people from moving there.
              That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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              • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                If people think think living in Wyoming gives you more representative power, and that concerns them, nothing prohibits those people from moving there.
                On the flip side would there be any negative to people in States like California, New York, Massachusetts etc if Wyoming were somehow not even a part of the nation?

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                • Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
                  On the flip side would there be any negative to people in States like California, New York, Massachusetts etc if Wyoming were somehow not even a part of the nation?
                  I'm personally a big fan of Yellowstone and the Tetons, but everyone may not agree.
                  That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                  • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

                    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                    I'm personally a big fan of Yellowstone and the Tetons, but everyone may not agree.
                    So if it were its own country, you could still go visit... you would just need a passport.

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                    • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

                      Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                      If people think think living in Wyoming gives you more representative power, and that concerns them, nothing prohibits those people from moving there.
                      Nothing. But is that the best form of government?

                      It reminds me of Iraq. Hussein didn't do what we wanted him to. So it was like we were forced to invade regardless of whether it was in our best interest or not. I guess we have to invade cause he didn't do what we asked him to...we have no choice.
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                      • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

                        We are and always have been a republic of states. It's why we recognize the right of some states to implement the death penalty while others don't. The Electoral College is a result of that form of government.

                        I have yet to see smart government decisions made when they are driven by the possibility that if we just did it differently the advantage would switch to me. In 2020 it might be Trump who wins the popular vote and Warren the Electoral.
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

                          Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                          If people think think living in Wyoming gives you more representative power, and that concerns them, nothing prohibits those people from moving there.
                          What a petty and childish way of thinking. i'm sure you never admonish celebrities that whine about moving to Canada when elections don't go their way?

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                          • Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                            The 1790 census numbers:
                            Massachusetts 378,787
                            New Hampshire 141,885
                            Rhode Island 68,825
                            Connecticut 237,946
                            New York 340,120
                            New Jersey 184,139
                            Pennsylvania 434,373
                            Delaware 59,096
                            Maryland 319,728
                            Virginia 691,737
                            North Carolina 393,751
                            South Carolina 249,073
                            Georgia 82,548

                            They had just under 12x at the time.
                            Count the slaves as a 1 instead of 60%, the difference should be more than 12x.
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                            • Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
                              I completely think there should be a one day national primary. Really why should a somewhat obscure state like Iowa have such an impact on who the next president might or might not be?
                              Media advertising revenue??
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                              • Re: Presidential Election Prediction Thread

                                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                                and Warren the Electoral.
                                Kamala Harris. And she'll win the EC and the PV.
                                Last edited by Kepler; 11-12-2016, 06:35 AM.
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