Monday Night Fight Night

[Kepler]

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The most correct thing Drumpf said? We shouldn't have be the world's police every effing time anymore.

He didn't quite say that. He said we ought to be the world's mercenary. "Nice alliance you've got here. Shame if something 'appened to it."

Between that and his balance of payments nonsense I finally understand Trump. He's the world's last Mercantilist. That's why he thinks we should have taken the oil. That's what Charles V would have done.

Spoiler: it doesn't work.

[Kepler]

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Everybody's a comedian.

[Kepler]

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Chris Christie just said that "fact checkers have a political agenda."

At 1:24 the Fox News headline for the debate is "Trump struggles, Clinton clings to facts and figures."

The divorce of the right from reality is complete. They are no longer even hiding it.

[French Rage]

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At 1:24 the Fox News headline for the debate is "Trump struggles, Clinton clings to facts and figures."

I for one hate it when my surgeon clings to things like knowledge of the nervous and circulatory systems.

[The Rube]

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This.
I have no problem being the good neighbor coming to help when the figurative barbarians are at the gate; but, we're manning the gate too many places.

I've thought this for years, but once we stepped into that role...hard to go back without burning most, if not all, bridges.

[Kepler]

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I've thought this for years, but once we stepped into that role...hard to go back without burning most, if not all, bridges.

We're not doing it out of charity. We police the world because our 1% benefits from the status quo. Like every empire, we expend the lives of the lower class and the taxes of the middle class to subsidize the luxuries of the upper class.

[The Rube]

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We're not doing it out of charity. We police the world because our 1% benefits from the current economic order. Like every empire, we expend the lives of the lower class and the taxes of the middle class to subsidize the luxuries of the upper class.

I know we're not doing it out of charity. That's the problem. It's all "scratch my back" stuff, which inevitably leads to other problems.

[joecct]

We're not doing it out of charity. We police the world because our 1% benefits from the status quo. Like every empire, we expend the lives of the lower class and the taxes of the middle class to subsidize the luxuries of the upper class.

You do remember that Rome fell to the barbarians?

[The Sicatoka]

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I know we're not doing it out of charity. That's the problem. It's all "scratch my back" stuff, which inevitably leads to other problems.

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliances with none." - George Washington

[FreshFish]

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As expected, 15 minutes in, Trump interrupting Hillary half the time. If you like Trump, he looks Presidential. If you hate Trump, he looks like a bully.

To answer the original post, who "won" last night's debate?

I did. I turned it off after about 90 seconds. It sounds like that was a good decision on my part.


I could tell it would be surreal from the outset, Clinton with that [adjective] red blouse and The Donald with that ice-blue tie. Generally, for me, his manner and her voice are each really grating. Why subject myself to so much annoyance?



From what I can tell from various recaps, Trump stumbled badly and missed many opportunities to press his case, while Clinton would have been a good insomnia cure. No "winner," certainly not the citizens of the US.

[FreshFish]

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I know we're not doing it out of charity. That's the problem. It's all "scratch my back" stuff, which inevitably leads to other problems.

It seems to have evolved from a decision to keep our traders safe from pirates (Jefferson sending the Navy to Tripoli). One of the best ways to keep the world a peaceful place is to get everyone invested in their own material well-being, and commerce among nations is a great way to promote that.

[Kepler]

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From what I can tell from various recaps, Trump stumbled badly and missed many opportunities to press his case, while Clinton would have been a good insomnia cure. No "winner," certainly not the citizens of the US.

Nice try, but your guy lost this one, and that impression seems to be nearly universal outside of Freep and maybe under a few MRA rocks.

You can always tell when a debate has been a romp when a partisan calls it a "tie."

Trump looked worse and worse as the night went on; by the end he was a sniffling pool of gibberish. Hillary got stronger and stronger, which was only highlighted by the stark contrast with Trump's earlier attempt to insinuate health / age issues. In fact it was Trump, slumping over his podium and slurping in air from time to time, who looked old and unhealthy.

The media seem to be doing their job for once, actually calling out Trump's more ludicrous lies. Hillary handed those well, alternately smiling ("there he goes again") and attributing his lack of grasp on facts to his overall unpreparedness.

And here's the thing: she wasn't boring, she not only kept her cool but was able to play Trump like a piano. Whenever she had the tactical advantage she pummeled him with facts; whenever she felt the tone of the room was against her she distracted him with some sort of light tap knowing he would respond all out of proportion, which he did every time.

The canned line of the night was "I did prepare," and it will play with undecideds.

The gaffe of the night, aside from "fighting ISIS your entire adult life," which was just bizarre, was "that wouldn't start a war." That's as bad as Reagan's infamous thinking that we could recall ICBMs after launch.

But for me the moment of the night was when Hillary reassured our allies that we will honor our treaties. When that happened I turned to Dr. Mrs. and said, "that was her first official act as president."

I know the numbers won't budge because that's the world we live in now, but make no mistake: this was a rout. Trump made Sarah Palin look competent and knowledgeable. Sound on at a watch party (content) or sound off at a sports bar (optics), there was no contest. Hillary won the debate.

[GrinCDXX]

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From what I can tell from various recaps, Trump stumbled badly and missed many opportunities to press his case, while Clinton would have been a good insomnia cure. No "winner," certainly not the citizens of the US.

Clinton could have been perfect other than a single misplaced strand of hair and you'd still be playing this false equivalence "no winner" game.

[Jimjamesak]

To answer the original post, who "won" last night's debate?

I did. I turned it off after about 90 seconds. It sounds like that was a good decision on my part.


I could tell it would be surreal from the outset, Clinton with that [adjective] red blouse and The Donald with that ice-blue tie. Generally, for me, his manner and her voice are each really grating. Why subject myself to so much annoyance?



From what I can tell from various recaps, Trump stumbled badly and missed many opportunities to press his case, while Clinton would have been a good insomnia cure. No "winner," certainly not the citizens of the US.

Hillary showed a masterclass in 'Woman Listening Face'."

[unofan]

You do remember that Rome fell to the barbarians?

So we should vote GOP to do the same for America?