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  • dxmnkd316
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    As for the rest of the post, I have no idea if that's true or not. I'll leave that to the legal minds.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    One minor, technical point: stop, question, and frisk is constitutional, according to SCOTUS. They laid out strict and limited rules under which it is acceptable.




    The NY City judge who tried to rule otherwise* was slapped down hard by the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals, and was removed from jurisdiction over the case because of her obvious and publicly-stated anti-police bias. The Appeals Court gave clear indication that they'd overrule her on appeal. Then there was an election and the new mayor decided to drop the appeal that they otherwise would have won.

    * Her ruling was not that stop, question, and frisk itself was unconstitutional, she "merely" ruled that the way NYC was applying the rule was unconstitutional because, in her opinion, a disproportionate number of minorities was being stopped. However, it appears that the number of minorities being stopped was indeed proportionate to the number of minorities who were committing crimes out of the population as a whole.
    That last line is complete and utter bulls_it. It's a cute attempt to frame a statistic that says something very different. Minorities are more likely to be arrested, more likely to be convicted, and more likely to be convicted of more serious charges for the same crime than whites.

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  • ericredaxe
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    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    I will say it again: It's not the school you put the kid into; it's what the kid puts into school.
    Are you sure about that?

    So you would let me pick any school in the country to send your kids to, and you would have no issue with it?

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  • FreshFish
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    One minor, technical point: stop, question, and frisk is constitutional, according to SCOTUS. They laid out strict and limited rules under which it is acceptable.

    Stop and frisk is based on an 8-1 decision of the Supreme Court, Terry v. Ohio. That ruling hasn’t been overturned or even modified by the court since it was handed down in 1968. Stop and frisk is constitutional and the law of the land. The majority opinion, written by then-Chief Justice Earl Warren, approved the constitutionality of stopping a suspect if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that a person has committed, or was about to commit, a crime. If the officer also has a reasonable suspicion the person is armed, he can conduct a pat-down—that is, a frisk—of a person’s outer clothing.

    The NY City judge who tried to rule otherwise* was slapped down hard by the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals, and was removed from jurisdiction over the case because of her obvious and publicly-stated anti-police bias. The Appeals Court gave clear indication that they'd overrule her on appeal. Then there was an election and the new mayor decided to drop the appeal that they otherwise would have won.



    * Her ruling was not that stop, question, and frisk itself was unconstitutional, she "merely" ruled that the way NYC was applying the rule was unconstitutional because, in her opinion, a disproportionate number of minorities was being stopped. However, it appears that the number of minorities being stopped was indeed proportionate to the number of minorities who were [subsequent edit: reported to be] committing crimes out of the population as a whole [subsequent edit: by the victims of said crimes].
    Last edited by FreshFish; 09-28-2016, 03:33 PM.

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  • The Sicatoka
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    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    2. JOBS!! Money spent in America for Americans to be spent in America by Americans!!!
    Aren't the words "shovel ready" supposed to be in there somewhere?

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    2. JOBS!! Money spent in America for Americans to be spent in America by Americans!!!

    2a. Pork kept the infrastructure going. Without pork, nobody in Congress has incentive to improve the infrastructure.
    Ol' Ted Stevens was the *ing King of Pork. He would use the "bad" press about it to brag about how much work he was getting done for the state. On the flip side, he would've strung up guys like Cruz and Rubio.

    On a related note, the airport in Anchorage is named after him.

    (He also nearly died at said airport and was later killed in a plane crash)

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  • joecct
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    Originally posted by MaizeRage View Post
    1. AIP grants are for better airfield drainage and weather observation stations, not shiny marble corridors.

    2. So the argument he is(and you are, apparently) making is that we're not spending enough on pork barrel projects?
    2. JOBS!! Money spent in America for Americans to be spent in America by Americans!!!

    2a. Pork kept the infrastructure going. Without pork, nobody in Congress has incentive to improve the infrastructure.

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  • MaizeRage
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    Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    The FAA through AIP (Airport Improvement Program) provides grants for up to 75% of capital improvements at airports nationwide. The federal government has everything to do with it.
    1. AIP grants are for better airfield drainage and weather observation stations, not shiny marble corridors.

    2. So the argument he is(and you are, apparently) making is that we're not spending enough on pork barrel projects?

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  • Wisko McBadgerton
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    Originally posted by MaizeRage View Post
    1. Yes, some airports could maybe use renovations

    2. The federal government has little to do with that.

    3. If we're really keeping score, maybe Dubai's airport is a little nicer. They also still have slavery, which should probably be a little higher up on the scorecard.

    The FAA through AIP (Airport Improvement Program) provides grants for up to 75% of capital improvements at airports nationwide. The federal government has everything to do with it.


    Dubai's airport is A LOT nicer. So is Hong Kong's. So is a lot of mainland China. And lot's of other countries. Trump's comparison is entirely accurate.

    And Slavery? How could that be? I mean surely the Clinton's would never be in business with the ruler of a country that has slavery and assorted other human rights issues. That's just crazy.

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  • joecct
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    Originally posted by MaizeRage View Post
    1. Yes, some airports could maybe use renovations

    2. The federal government has little to do with that.

    3. If we're really keeping score, maybe Dubai's airport is a little nicer. They also still have slavery, which should probably be a little higher up on the scorecard.
    Re 2 - A friendly congressional delegation can ensure it does.

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  • MaizeRage
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    1. Yes, some airports could maybe use renovations

    2. The federal government has little to do with that.

    3. If we're really keeping score, maybe Dubai's airport is a little nicer. They also still have slavery, which should probably be a little higher up on the scorecard.

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  • GrinCDXX
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    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    They could do what Denver did and just build a new airport ... in Kansas City.
    Speaking of Kansas City, that airport is another example of one that would make it seem Trump isn't completely nuts. I'm convinced that while that facility was being built, it hadn't yet been decided whether it was going to be an airport or a prison.

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  • mookie1995
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    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    And I don't know if you can make it better.

    Maybe upgrade Islip (been there once) with a high speed rail line into Penn Station?? Kennedy and Newark are stuffed.
    no rail lines are being built there. lotta stuff needs rebuilt.

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  • Jimjamesak
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    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    They could do what Denver did and just build a new airport ... in Kansas City.
    Or just go with a man made island like in Japan.

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  • The Sicatoka
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    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    And I don't know if you can make it better.
    They could do what Denver did and just build a new airport ... in Kansas City.

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