Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

[walrus]

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Just saw a tweet that it is confirmed by the tD camp.

I knew Trump would do this stuff and the Clintons long past will make it easy for him to do

[joecct]

I knew Trump would do this stuff and the Clintons long past will make it easy for him to do

This, of course, assumes Ms. Flowers survives until Monday night.

[walrus]

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This, of course, assumes Ms. Flowers survives until Monday night.

Bill made sure there are plenty more where that came from

[French Rage]

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I'm sure Hillary has in no way found a way to deal with that over the last 20-30 years, nosiree.

[mookie1995]

Questions, because I don't know: What is the best mechanism we know for predetermining turnout and to what degree has it been successful in the past? And if there is such a thing, what does it say?

Seems like that's the key and the hardest thing to predict.

With high negatives for both candidates the surface primary driver seems like it's to "stop" the other side, which I see as a negative motivation vs. a positive one, like a strong feeling for "Hope and Change", for example. My head tells me that a negative motivation isn't nearly as good and is much more easy to blow off on election day for the average citizen. Because of that, I feel like actual turnout could be suppressed as things stand today.

Which could be totally wrong, as for example, it's true that there's massive interest in the debates. But then again, there would be as much or more massive interest in Kanye throwing down with Taylor Swift. It kind of has some of that train wreck quality that you can't stop watching about it.

Odd situation.

People just don't care to vote. Mookie is the opposite, he votes every time. Many times there is perhaps 1 contested race. In every unopposed Mookie writes in himself.
He just votes.

Have to assume a very small minority is in the same boat

[Handyman]

I knew Trump would do this stuff and the Clintons long past will make it easy for him to do

No one cared about Flowers when Bill was President why would they now that Hillary is running? This stinks of desperation and won't help him at all.

[Handyman]

Nate is reading the Cafe.

I'm getting sick of Silver it is obvious he is dumbstruck by all of this yet every week he tried to make it sound like he almost has it figured out. I like him for the most part but his he sometimes doesn't even agree with his own numbers which makes him look a bit loony.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Articles like this one in the NYT would be the most effective way to discredit Trump to his own supporters, but his supporters are too stupid or blind or naive to be able to grasp the truth.

His supporters will just say that it's the "New York Slimes" smearing Trump again.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Just saw a tweet that it is confirmed by the tD camp.

Yeah, just noticed that. So ridiculous.

Hi Donald. You know I'm in your corner and will definitely be at the debate!...��

— Gennifer Flowers (@gennflowers) September 24, 2016

Gross

[Handyman]

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Flowers is just mad because the rest of Bill's ladies got famous and no one even remembers who she is. Weak attempt at trolling if Drumpf was better at this he would have had Lewinsky in a blue dress or at least Paula Jones. I doubt if half the people watching know who Flowers is and after what Hillary dealt with in the 90s when all of this was on TV 24/7 her being at the debate wont even cause her pulse to rise a beat...

This would be like Hillary having Marla Maples show up, or have her wear a USFL hat on the campaign tour...it just doesnt register

[Handyman]

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Apparently The Lesser Drumpf is Just as Big a Liar as his Full of Crap Father

"Eric Drumpf on Friday defended his father's self-made real estate mogul narrative, saying the Republican presidential nominee was the epitome of the American dream for having "gone from just about nothing" to become a successful real estate mogul in New York.

The younger Drumpf's comments follow extensive reporting of how the GOP presidential candidate got his start in property development in part thanks to a $1 million loan from his father, Fred Drumpf, in the late 1960s or early 1970s."

[walrus]

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No one cared about Flowers when Bill was President why would they now that Hillary is running? This stinks of desperation and won't help him at all.

Of course he is desperate, he is behind in the polls and he is going to get creamed in the debates.

[burd]

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Flowers is just mad because the rest of Bill's ladies got famous and no one even remembers who she is. Weak attempt at trolling if Drumpf was better at this he would have had Lewinsky in a blue dress or at least Paula Jones. I doubt if half the people watching know who Flowers is and after what Hillary dealt with in the 90s when all of this was on TV 24/7 her being at the debate wont even cause her pulse to rise a beat...

This would be like Hillary having Marla Maples show up, or have her wear a USFL hat on the campaign tour...it just doesnt register

Agree, and not only that. Hillary got the sympathy and respect of a lot of women after what she endured. Conservatives criticized her for not leaving him, but I don't think that resonated with most women. Trump has to assess how women would react to this cheap trick. Cheap, but classic Trump.

[bronconick]

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I'm getting sick of Silver it is obvious he is dumbstruck by all of this yet every week he tried to make it sound like he almost has it figured out. I like him for the most part but his he sometimes doesn't even agree with his own numbers which makes him look a bit loony.

Nate was at his best when he just ran the #'s. Being forced into commentary for clicks weakens him, though it does put food on his table.

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I think it was a mistake by the Clinton campaign to put a white male billionaire in the front row. The much better choice might have been a veteran, or at least a representative of one of the groups Mrs. Clinton purports to champion.

I think it's true that Mrs. Clinton gained sympathy, but I think that she also lost some women when she went on national television and called Lewinski, Jones, Flowers, et al, liars, and subsequently used the phrase "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" to dismiss their claims out of hand. Using that phrase again in the campaign has probably also been a mistake.