Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Good god and I thought Al Gore was boring...can we have an "All Things EPA" thread so we can get back to mocking Drumpf and the nimrods voting for him please

[walrus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Oh, and by the CPP's, the EPA's, own data, all of the CO2 reductions in the plan will reduce global warming by ... well, I'll let the EPA chief tell you what we get for all this.

Here's the spoiler:

The spoiler is, Obamas buddies are making money on it, you hang out with the wrong crowd

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Good god and I thought Al Gore was boring...can we have an "All Things EPA" thread so we can get back to mocking Drumpf and the nimrods voting for him please

I want my **** video only polling results Handy!

[unofan]

Oh, and by the CPP's, the EPA's, own data, all of the CO2 reductions in the plan will reduce global warming by ... well, I'll let the EPA chief tell you what we get for all this.

Here's the spoiler:



So instead of 36.99C it'll be 37C. OK ...

Nobody, no-body, escapes the cost of electricity. It's a price and value adder on every aspect of your life. Forgive me for trying to keep the cost of it somewhat in check.

And pricing pollution into it doesn't mean those costs weren't already there, it just means we're making the correct people pay for it.

[The Sicatoka]

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And pricing pollution into it doesn't mean those costs weren't already there, it just means we're making the correct people pay for it.

The end user always pays for all of it.

We're adding massive costs* with benefits that are nearly too small to measure (0.01 degress C).


*I've seen estimates of electricity rates going up 35 to 60% under CPP, and the numbers are not scare tactics. I've seen the books. This isn't everywhere (most are in the teens), but the larger the CPP mandate, the larger the rate increase.

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

The spoiler is, Obamas buddies are making money on it, you hang out with the wrong crowd

When Republican administrations use energy policy to line their own pockets, the costs are more than money.

[unofan]

The end user always pays for all of it.

This line tells me you really don't know what an externality is, or why pollution is the prime example of one.

[walrus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

The end user always pays for all of it.

We're adding massive costs* with benefits that are nearly too small to measure (0.01 degress C).


*I've seen estimates of electricity rates going up 35 to 60% under CPP, and the numbers are not scare tactics. I've seen the books. This isn't everywhere (most are in the teens), but the larger the CPP mandate, the larger the rate increase.

Keep upping the cost and solar will work.

[walrus]

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When Republican administrations use energy policy to line their own pockets, the costs are more than money.

Its always follow the money no matter what administration is in there

[aparch]

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She is ahead and I think she's going to win, but I would REALLY like to get some godd-mn insurance runs because when you let a crappy opponent hang around bad stuff can happen.

Jesus. You sound like a Mets fan.

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Its always follow the money no matter what administration is in there

I quite agree.

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Jesus. You sound like a Mets fan.

'07 still hurts.

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Polling Report has Hillary winning the debate 62-27.

[The Sicatoka]

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This line tells me you really don't know what an externality is, or why pollution is the prime example of one.

Can you really call it an externality when it's a power cooperative and the member-owners of the cooperative are the ones who live around the plant, breathing the air*, and reaping the benefits of the plant?

*Air that is some of the cleanest in the nation no less.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Keep upping the cost and solar will work.

I award you partial points; you are half correct. Solar will work if the price is jacked high enough (no-CO2 nuclear would still be cheaper to produce ).

However, solar is still not the answer, nor is wind, until large-scale storage technology (batteries) markedly improves.