Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

5150 in progress.

Van Halen fan, eh?

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

The thing I have learned about Trump during this whole debacle is that he can't pivot. What we are seeing is the man himself. It is not an act. He is what he is -- a stillborn adolescent narcissist whose money has insulated him from reality for his entire life. He really believes the stuff he says. He really thinks he's brilliant, and a leader. He has no clue that the respect his inner circle and even his family has extended to him has been respect for his money, not himself.

He has no idea he is a loser.

Yep you nailed it, which some of us were saying from the beginning. The GOP cant control him because he doesnt give a crap about their needs...

Which is why it is doubly important people vote. The GOP Congress cant be trusted to reign him in (and The Ryan clones will pass his tax plan without a second thought and will bow to his "mandate" and do what he says) and lord only knows what psychopath he will put on The Court. If you are left of the Blue Dogs (including if you are a Blue Dog) you should want him as far away from office as possible.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

It's lucky for Trump that 40% of the country was unable to see that beatdown due to the EPA Blackout. Personally, I thought it was odd Lester Holt didn't even mention it.

I know you think you're cute and all, but I'm a little busy keeping the lights on today given what's happening in the DC Circuit right now.

Oh, and here's what's happening in Michigan.

Michigan should be able to meet federal climate standards without paying higher energy prices, but the state may need to better incentivize energy-saving programs in order to avoid power outages as coal plants retire, officials said yesterday.

They should be able to keep your lights on. But I'm making it all up.

[Kepler]

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Van Halen fan, eh?

Yes, and yes in fact that was where I learned the term.

[Rover]

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Then I must be an idiot because I don't agree with you on any of this and you have no evidence to support your assertion.

You were an idiot long before we had this conversation Scoobs.

Moving on, I'm seeing this recurring theme out of Trump that he'll bring up Bill Clinton's cheating in the next debate. Does anybody else see how easily this is going to get thrown in his face? Isn't he on his 3rd wife and he knocked up his girlfriend and future wife Marla Maples while still married to his first wife? So an adulterer is going to go after a woman who got cheated on? Ummm....okay...

[Kepler]

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It's lucky for Trump that 40% of the country was unable to see that beatdown due to the EPA Blackout.

Is this some RWNJ conspiracy like FEMA camps, or something real? Never heard of this one.

[Jimjamesak]

Is this some RWNJ conspiracy, or something real? Never heard of this one.

It's a few pages back...

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

It's a few pages back...

Let me guess. Obama is using the EPA to cut our emissions in order to black out conservative parts of the country to prepare for Martial Law!!!1111

[The Sicatoka]

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Is this some RWNJ conspiracy like FEMA camps, or something real? Never heard of this one.

MaizeRage is mad at me because I pointed out that the EPA's CPP*, aimed primarily at coal powered electricity generation in the upper Midwest is a hard spot with me. They claim I want EPA shut down; I just want EPA properly overseen by Congress. They're mad that I pointed out 40% of US electricity comes from coal and that they should've shut off the debate at the 54/90 minute mark last night in support of CPP. They're mad that I could point out the direct harm to local economies that CPP will do.

The CPP is straight out of Mr. Obama's EPA. It's a wonderfully Utopian plan that real people in the real world are left to try to deal with.

Having said all that, yeah, I'm a bit owly** right now. I just got out of a board meeting dealing with these issues. Better? I'm going to a solar farm dedication later. A solar farm with huge State and Federal subsidies that still doesn't interest local investors. A solar farm that, even with the subsidies, still has an ROI of 20 years or more.


*Search the site for posts by me with "CPP" in them to see the origins.
**Should I be using the term "hawkish", or "fighting hawkish"? I'm still adapting to this new moniker thing.

[Jimjamesak]

Let me guess. Obama is using the EPA to cut our emissions in order to black out conservative parts of the country to prepare for Martial Law!!!1111

I wanna say no but...

(Sica explained it kinda)

[mookie1995]

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It's cute that mookie thinks people care about mookie's act.

maybe later you can impress us with dumb chit you post again. enlighten us with your grasp of social security. your stupid act is always cute.

[The Sicatoka]

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Where's the survey of the "video only" debate watchers? Normally some firm puts together a group to watch the debate, keyword: watch, no audio. I haven't seen one report or story on such as of yet.

My guess is those folks are the truest representation of who won. Why? The ubiquitous American short attention span and inability to hear, listen, and comprehend (and yes, those are three different things) makes people far more visual than auditory. You don't have to have won, you just have to look like you've won.

[unofan]

MaizeRage is mad at me because I pointed out that the EPA's CPP*, aimed primarily at coal powered electricity generation in the upper Midwest is a hard spot with me. They claim I want EPA shut down; I just want EPA properly overseen by Congress. They're mad that I pointed out 40% of US electricity comes from coal and that they should've shut off the debate at the 54/90 minute mark last night in support of CPP. They're mad that I could point out the direct harm to local economies that CPP will do.

The CPP is straight out of Mr. Obama's EPA. It's a wonderfully Utopian plan that real people in the real world are left to try to deal with.

Having said all that, yeah, I'm a bit owly** right now. I just got out of a board meeting dealing with these issues. Better? I'm going to a solar farm dedication later. A solar farm with huge State and Federal subsidies that still doesn't interest local investors. A solar farm that, even with the subsidies, still has an ROI of 20 years or more.


*Search the site for posts by me with "CPP" in them to see the origins.
**Should I be using the term "hawkish", or "fighting hawkish"? I'm still adapting to this new moniker thing.

Do you know what an externality is and why pollution is literally the textbook example of a negative externality?

Your panic strikes me as completely unnecessary. You don't want to pay higher prices, I get that. But allowing companies to pollute because you think it's just too hard or expensive to stop them is pure applesauce. That just shifts the costs from the users of that power plant to those affected downstream or downwind of it. How is that acceptable?

[The Sicatoka]

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The plant in question put in scrubbers (to the tune of $500,000,000.00) making it the second cleanest emissions plant in the world. That's a lot of applesauce.

And it's not panic; it's pure frustration. The draft CPP said ND had to meet an 11% reduction. The State said we could meet that. Then, the final (bait and switch) version came out demanding a 45% reduction for ND. There is no tech on earth to get the State there. The only option? Close plants that still have huge mortgages, for clean coal technologies no less!, on them. (Imagine burning down your house but still having to pay that mortgage, and the mortgage to a new house to live in.)

[The Sicatoka]

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Oh, and by the CPP's, the EPA's, own data, all of the CO2 reductions in the plan will reduce global warming by ... well, I'll let the EPA chief tell you what we get for all this.

Here's the spoiler:

... former Obama Administration Assistant Secretary Charles McConnell said at best it will reduce global temperature by only one one-hundredth of a degree Celsius. At the same time it’s going to increase the cost of electricity. That’s going to hurt the lowest income Americans the most. How do you justify such an expensive, burdensome, onerous rule that’s really not going to do much good and isn’t this all pain and no gain.

So instead of 36.99C it'll be 37C. OK ...

Nobody, no-body, escapes the cost of electricity. It's a cost, and value, adder on every aspect of your life. Forgive me for trying to keep the cost of it somewhat in check.