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  • #226
    Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

    Originally posted by unofan View Post
    Social Security is fairly simply solved. Eliminate the wage cutoff on the tax side and raise the retirement age another year or two to 68 or 69, and it's solvent for the next 150 years. Alternatively, change nothing, and in 20 years you'll have to cut payments to about 80% of current levels, but it'll still be solvent at that point.

    Medicare is the big spiraling cost with no end in sight, because retirees live longer and use more medical care than they used to 9simply because we now have said medical care).
    Medicare costs spiral because we don't know when to tell people "no". Why is a person with terminal brain cancer with less than 6 months to live offered every single treatment for the pneumonia he's developed, including a tracheostomy when he can't be taken off the ventilator and a PEG tube to feed him. How does this improve his quality of life for his time remaining? But we do it because we can, and when families aren't ready to let go, we will just prolong the suffering.

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    • #227
      Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

      Originally posted by bostonewe View Post
      Medicare costs spiral because we don't know when to tell people "no". Why is a person with terminal brain cancer with less than 6 months to live offered every single treatment for the pneumonia he's developed, including a tracheostomy when he can't be taken off the ventilator and a PEG tube to feed him. How does this improve his quality of life for his time remaining? But we do it because we can, and when families aren't ready to let go, we will just prolong the suffering.
      Devil's advocate here, and I am not trying to rain on any parade...and there are good points both ways...

      Miracles do happen. To give up on a life because of probability (unless the patient has stated so in a living will)? I have a bit of trouble with that.
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      • #228
        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
        Devil's advocate here, and I am not trying to rain on any parade...and there are good points both ways...

        Miracles do happen. To give up on a life because of probability (unless the patient has stated so in a living will)? I have a bit of trouble with that.
        The book "Being Mortal" is a very interesting look at the balance between quality of life and quantity of life. Far to often people give up on quality of life to chase quantity of life, oddly enough the one group that doesn't: the doctors themselves. Why? Because they experience the impact of life prolonging treatments that do nothing to help the patient actually live.

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        • #229
          Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

          Didn't watch... did they actually talk about anything other than attacking each other?

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          • #230
            Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

            Taking a look at post-debate polls...

            Right wing outlets saying Trump won in a landslide.
            Left wing outlets saying Rodham won in a landslide.
            Other outlets were close either way.

            What can be learned from this: The country is as polarised as ever. Civil War II, here we come...

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            • #231
              Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

              Really curious to see where 538 stands after round 1
              If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me

              BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!

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              • #232
                Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

                I'd like to think I got some good lines off last night.
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                Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                Originally posted by Kepler
                When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
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                • #233
                  Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

                  Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                  Taking a look at post-debate polls...

                  Right wing outlets saying Trump won in a landslide.
                  Left wing outlets saying Rodham won in a landslide.
                  Other outlets were close either way.

                  What can be learned from this: The country is as polarised as ever. Civil War II, here we come...
                  If only we could get people to obtain their information from reliable sources.

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                  • #234
                    Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

                    The CBS Radio analysis (a UVa prof) said this morning there weren't 1000 Trump supporters converted to Clinton, nor 1000 Clinton supporters converted to Trump after last night. Part was raw polarization; part was that neither scored a catastrophic blow.
                    The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

                    North Dakota Hockey:

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                    • #235
                      Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

                      Originally posted by burd View Post
                      If only we could get people to obtain their information from reliable sources.
                      There are any of those left?
                      The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

                      North Dakota Hockey:

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                      • #236
                        Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                        The CBS Radio analysis (a UVa prof) said this morning there weren't 1000 Trump supporters converted to Clinton, nor 1000 Clinton supporters converted to Trump after last night. Part was raw polarization; part was that neither scored a catastrophic blow.
                        Heard the same on the drive in this AM.

                        But, it's something we all knew. You could put a water cooler and a refrigerator on the stage last night, slap a D and an R on them, and they'd poll the same. The debates aren't going to sway those dead set for their candidate.
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                        • #237
                          Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

                          Originally posted by aparch View Post
                          ... You could put a water cooler and a refrigerator on the stage last night, slap a D and an R on them, and they'd poll the same.
                          Uh ... yeah ... something like that.
                          The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

                          North Dakota Hockey:

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                          • #238
                            Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

                            September poll is up.
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                            • #239
                              Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

                              Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                              The CBS Radio analysis (a UVa prof) said this morning there weren't 1000 Trump supporters converted to Clinton, nor 1000 Clinton supporters converted to Trump after last night. Part was raw polarization; part was that neither scored a catastrophic blow.
                              See that analysis is offbase because this isnt about either side winning votes from the other, it is about the undecideds. (especially for Hillary) Whoever gains the most there is who is going to win the election and going by what I read I dont see any way Drumpf did it. Usually undecideds arent lazy (if they ever plan to vote that is) they pay attention to what people say and how they act.

                              Hillary needs to continue to court the undecideds because she is more likely to take them. She needs the populace engaged because if they Drumpf has no chance.
                              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                              -aparch

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                              • #240
                                Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

                                Results of my totally anecdotal debate poll of Mrs. McBadgerton:

                                A bit about her: Mrs. McBadgerton is largely apolitical and we seldom if ever discuss politics between us, but last night she agreed to sit and watch the debate. She is <40, a mother of a young teen, has a PhD, works in an international business, listens to NPR on her commute, had a Midwestern upbringing, and voted Obama at least once.

                                We watched with little discussion and I interviewed her with open questions post debate to get her take, and... well... let's just skip to the results:

                                She preferred... Trump!?!
                                Originally posted by WiscTJK
                                I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                                Originally posted by Timothy A
                                Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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