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  • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

    Originally posted by leswp1 View Post
    I think it is important to not blame all white males for the behaviours.
    I'm sorry... really, I am...
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    • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

      Originally posted by MarkEagleUSA View Post
      I'm sorry... really, I am...
      bwahahaha!

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      • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

        He isnt angry but he is dismissive. He kinda sounds like the people who dont understand why Blacks arent better off than they are seeing as slavery ended in the 1860s and the Civil Rights Act was quite a few decades ago. Not out of racism or bigotry but just because through the lens of their life that is plenty of time to right the ship. All they see is the basic facts, the logic of: If A and B then C. Everything in a vacuum says things should be different...

        The flaw is that we dont live in a vacuum. There is extraneous forces that change things. We live in the Real World not the Perfect World.

        We all want to get to the point where you dont have to use qualifiers but the fact is we dont. And until such time then people have to be cognizant of the fact that while their beliefs and jokes may not be meant to offend they still might do just that. Is it fair...probably not and no one should be demonized for a joke if the intent isnt to hurt others and they apologize sincerely. But until things are equal then yeah it sucks but there will be double standards.

        And this isnt just a conservative problem...the liberals need to realize that police need to be allowed to describe suspects and victims as more than just "persons". Just because the suspect is described as a Black Person doesnt mean they are being discriminated against or there is bias...it means the person they feel may have committed the crime has a dark complexion.
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        • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

          Originally posted by leswp1 View Post
          I must be missing something. I don't see Hoven saying he is angry so much as in what he wants for the world it wouldn't be necessary and being perhaps very optimistic that it is happening already?

          I think it is important to not blame all white males for the behaviours.
          Nobody is blaming all of them. I certainly am not blaming myself and I'm one of them.
          **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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          • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

            Oppression is one thing, and I'm sure we can all agree is an issue. Then there are those that use oppression to their political advantage out of coincidence. Then there are those special dingbats that create an environment where they are oppressed, and then use it to their political advantage.

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            • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              Nobody is blaming all of them. I certainly am not blaming myself and I'm one of them.
              Yeah, but you never blame yourself. You're the Trump of USCHO.
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              • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                Yeah, but you never blame yourself. You're the Trump of USCHO.
                I blame myself all the time for things.
                **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  Nobody is blaming all of them. I certainly am not blaming myself and I'm one of them.
                  Well that is ok I definitely blame you
                  "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                  -aparch

                  "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                  -INCH

                  Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
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                  • Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                    Well that is ok I definitely blame you
                    That's fair.
                    **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                    Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                    • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      He isnt angry but he is dismissive. He kinda sounds like the people who dont understand why Blacks arent better off than they are seeing as slavery ended in the 1860s and the Civil Rights Act was quite a few decades ago. Not out of racism or bigotry but just because through the lens of their life that is plenty of time to right the ship. All they see is the basic facts, the logic of: If A and B then C. Everything in a vacuum says things should be different...

                      The flaw is that we dont live in a vacuum. There is extraneous forces that change things. We live in the Real World not the Perfect World.

                      We all want to get to the point where you dont have to use qualifiers but the fact is we dont. And until such time then people have to be cognizant of the fact that while their beliefs and jokes may not be meant to offend they still might do just that. Is it fair...probably not and no one should be demonized for a joke if the intent isnt to hurt others and they apologize sincerely. But until things are equal then yeah it sucks but there will be double standards.

                      And this isnt just a conservative problem...the liberals need to realize that police need to be allowed to describe suspects and victims as more than just "persons". Just because the suspect is described as a Black Person doesnt mean they are being discriminated against or there is bias...it means the person they feel may have committed the crime has a dark complexion.
                      I am definitely not trying to be dismissive.

                      A poster (don't recall, not looking back) said that Obama and Sam should keep those labels of "black" and "openly gay" for historic purposes. I can agree with that, if it is relevant to the story itself, as in history.

                      I feel that if you point out those labels in EVERY story, you are pointing out how they are "different" than the societal "norms." I would rather not have it pointed out, because it is a societal "norm" etc. You know? I may not be explaining it right, I'm much more able to express my viewpoint verbally than in text.

                      Example: Michael Sam became the first openly gay NFL player today.
                      Flipside: Michael Sam, who is openly gay, was traded today.

                      The latter has no business in mentioning his orientation in the trade release. Has nothing to do with it.


                      Finally, I'm 50/50 on Kluwe and his views. We've actually corresponded a couple times. Neither of us talk AT each other, we talk WITH each other, and that's a good thing.
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                      • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

                        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                        I am definitely not trying to be dismissive.
                        So why did you feel the need to go out in t-shirts pretending that you were doing the same kind of protest, then?

                        All in the name of satire.

                        SEEMS very dismissive of others opinions and concerns that you think you can make a joke out of it. A joke so bad that the intended audience didn't get it. And it's their fault that the joke was totally lost.

                        And you have posted that it's BS that you can't wear "white pride" or "straight is great" shirts since the minority can. Again, pretty dismissive of their historical point of view.

                        I suggest stepping back and trying to stand in the other's shoes a little more. The fact that all you want to see is your side of the "equal" argument is pretty telling, as I see it.

                        Just because you want the mainstream media to drop attention on "what minority" does not mean you are not dismissive. You keep bringing that up as an excuse for your actions.
                        Last edited by alfablue; 06-09-2017, 06:56 AM.

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                        • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

                          I didn't wear the shirt. I mentioned the event, which I thought was funny and satirical. I wasn't even part of that organization (there were some views I didn't agree with).
                          Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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                          • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

                            Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                            I am definitely not trying to be dismissive.

                            A poster (don't recall, not looking back) said that Obama and Sam should keep those labels of "black" and "openly gay" for historic purposes. I can agree with that, if it is relevant to the story itself, as in history.

                            I feel that if you point out those labels in EVERY story, you are pointing out how they are "different" than the societal "norms." I would rather not have it pointed out, because it is a societal "norm" etc. You know? I may not be explaining it right, I'm much more able to express my viewpoint verbally than in text.

                            Example: Michael Sam became the first openly gay NFL player today.
                            Flipside: Michael Sam, who is openly gay, was traded today.

                            The latter has no business in mentioning his orientation in the trade release. Has nothing to do with it.


                            Finally, I'm 50/50 on Kluwe and his views. We've actually corresponded a couple times. Neither of us talk AT each other, we talk WITH each other, and that's a good thing.
                            So basically labels are appropriate when it's used to the advantage of the person trying to create the sense of oppression of a discriminating manner. Yet, I thought the whole point was to not have said discrimination and that we're all just people.

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                            • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

                              I am 100% positive for every ounce of satire they were trying to portray there's an ounce of sincerity behind the meme. In that sense they completely lose any sense of credibility in trying to send a message.

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                              • Re: Gear Grinding 7: Really? This crap again?

                                Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                                So basically labels are appropriate when it's used to the advantage of the person trying to create the sense of oppression of a discriminating manner. Yet, I thought the whole point was to not have said discrimination and that we're all just people.
                                Wrong. Look at it from a historical textbook situation. When teaching the history of the US, and these subjects come up, it is entirely appropriate when discussing presidents that Obama was the first black president.

                                When (if, but I'm going to assume when) we get to the 5th, 10th, etc black president, that president being black should not be mentioned as such. S/he's just "president."
                                Same goes with Michael Sam.

                                The first (insert whatever minority group) should get recognition as such in history lessons.
                                Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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