Campaign 2016 Part XVI: KICK THE BABY!

[BassAle]

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The private sector works.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/24/us...smtyp=cur&_r=0



**** you, Mylan.

There really is no reason for it being so expensive, especially considering you can get a whole vial of epinephrine way cheaper than an epipen (so it isn't the drug that makes it expensive, and I can't imagine the pen itself costs more than a few cents to manufacture).

I know some guys that lead backcountry trips, often for kids. They need to have epinephrine on hand (and they can't always rely on every kid bringing their own pen). They are trained as EMTs/WFRs and end up getting a doctor to sign off on them administering epinephrine while in the backcountry or at summer camp (without doctors approval they can't even legally administer an epipen that a kid brings to summer camp -- they can 'help' the kid administer it themselves). Once a doctor as signed off on them administering epinephrine, that doctor can provide them with a vial of epinephrine. They bring the vial and a bunch of syringes on their back country trip. They get a lot more doses for way less money, but it isn't as idiot-proof as an epi-pen since they have to measure the dose. It's also a legal grey area. Many states have laws that allow trained personnel in schools/overnight camps to administer epinephrine with an auto-injector, and many states also allow EMTs to use auto injectors but. It's not really clear in some cases if a doctor can legally give medical oversight and an Rx for a vial of epi for someone to administer to an unknown 3rd party.

This is pure greed on the part of the manufacturer and it is causing safety issues / potential legal issues

[burd]

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There really is no reason for it being so expensive, especially considering you can get a whole vial of epinephrine way cheaper than an epipen (so it isn't the drug that makes it expensive, and I can't imagine the pen itself costs more than a few cents to manufacture).



This is pure greed on the part of the manufacturer and it is causing safety issues / potential legal issues

I suspect their excuse is trial lawyers.

[ScoobyDoo]

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People are making decisions about not buying the pens they need now because of the cost. Someone is going to die because of them and they will have zero liability.

[Kepler]

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VA settling into a groove.

[Craig P.]

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Wish the D's would put together their own solution for this (to which moderate GOP would join). Something that doesn't suppress voter turn out but does a passing ability to accomplish what all this GOP effort is about.

You appear to be making an arguably unwarranted assumption about "what all this GOP effort is about." Some would argue that the entire raison d'etre is suppressing voter turn-out (particularly turn-out of likely D voters).

[SJHovey]

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I suspect their excuse is trial lawyers.

I wonder if it has to do with the unique nature of the product. It's really a combination of a drug product and a mechanical delivery device.

I know there are certain rules regarding drug patents, but I don't know/recall specifically what they are. Basically I think the original developer of a drug gets free reign for a short period of time to be the exclusive manufacturer of the product. Then, after a couple of years, generics can be made and sold which usually results in a pretty steep discount. I think the idea behind the short, exclusive period is to give the manufacturer some financial incentive to actually spend money to develop a new drug.

I suspect the drug in these pens is probably long past that initial period and there are lots of generics around. But I wonder about the injection device itself. What I'm wondering is whether a medical injection device like this one is under similar rules where the patent is only exclusive to the manufacturer for a short period before it's opened up to knock offs, or is it more like a regular patent. I don't have any idea, but I wonder if this manufacturer has basically limited competition by procuring all patent or licensing rights for the mechanical device itself. Otherwise I don't understand why there aren't a hundred generic knock offs of the product around.

[Kepler]

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Betteridge's Law.

[5mn_Major]

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You appear to be making an arguably unwarranted assumption about "what all this GOP effort is about." Some would argue that the entire raison d'etre is suppressing voter turn-out (particularly turn-out of likely D voters).

Yes they would. And have.

I really don't know much about the technology, but can't one accept basic ID and then have a state sponsored databased that combines tax records with utilities bills, etc to get to registration validation. I know folks here are typically about slamming the political opponent...but it seems to me sometimes there are better ways. We continue to have a total gridlock system...because one side won't negotiate with the other...and because one side continually pushes through legislation that the other side cannot accept...to which the other side does everything it can to repeal it. Think of what could actually get done if we could put just a couple of issues to bed.

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I wonder if it has to do with the unique nature of the product. It's really a combination of a drug product and a mechanical delivery device.

I know there are certain rules regarding drug patents, but I don't know/recall specifically what they are. Basically I think the original developer of a drug gets free reign for a short period of time to be the exclusive manufacturer of the product. Then, after a couple of years, generics can be made and sold which usually results in a pretty steep discount. I think the idea behind the short, exclusive period is to give the manufacturer some financial incentive to actually spend money to develop a new drug.

I suspect the drug in these pens is probably long past that initial period and there are lots of generics around. But I wonder about the injection device itself. What I'm wondering is whether a medical injection device like this one is under similar rules where the patent is only exclusive to the manufacturer for a short period before it's opened up to knock offs, or is it more like a regular patent. I don't have any idea, but I wonder if this manufacturer has basically limited competition by procuring all patent or licensing rights for the mechanical device itself. Otherwise I don't understand why there aren't a hundred generic knock offs of the product around.

One competitor is recalled and probably not continuing and the generic maker has not achieved FDA approval. Here: http://www.fiercepharma.com/sales-an...cruise-control

[aparch]

I have no idea where else to ask, but does anyone have any thoughts on a replacement for Gawker?

I used to have two websites always open on my phone: USCHO and Gawker. I need a replacement.

Deadspin?

Sounded like a few writers for Gawker were just going to post to their sister sites from now on.

[Rover]

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VA settling into a groove.

Don't see where Trump goes if he's getting killed in Colorado and Virginia. These were two of the closer states in 2012. He's also getting blown out in NH and PA as we write.

Saw a map that showed 5 swing states: NV, IA, OH, NC, FL. Dump's problem is that if he wins all 5 he still loses the election.

[French Rage]

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Don't see where Trump goes if he's getting killed in Colorado and Virginia.

Apparently he goes to Texas and Mississippi to shore up votes there: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...&ICID=ref_fark

[ScoobyDoo]

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Don't see where Trump goes if he's getting killed in Colorado and Virginia. These were two of the closer states in 2012. He's also getting blown out in NH and PA as we write.

Saw a map that showed 5 swing states: NV, IA, OH, NC, FL. Dump's problem is that if he wins all 5 he still loses the election.

He's a lock to win now.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...foreign-policy

Tea Party firebrand Michele Bachmann says she is advising Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump
on foreign policy.

The former Minnesota congresswoman attended a fundraiser in the state for Trump on Saturday, where she revealed to the press that she has his ear on foreign policy.

“He also recognizes there is a threat around the world, not just here in Minnesota, of radical Islam,” she said, according to MPR News. “I wish our President Obama also understood the threat of radical Islam and took it seriously.”

Michelle sure has it right. Obama has no idea about terrorism around the world. None at all.

[burd]

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He's a lock to win now.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...foreign-policy



Michelle sure has it right. Obama has no idea about terrorism around the world. None at all.

Especially in Blaine. That rink has been on IS's list for years.

[Handyman]

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Having alienated women, Latinos, blacks, liberals, moderates, the Republican establishment, Muslims, the disabled, economists, the educated, the military, in short, everyone except his base, Trump now makes his boldest strategic move: alienate his base.



[Eva:]
Oh but it's sad when a love affair dies
But we have pretended enough
It's best that we both stop fooling ourselves

[Che:]
Which means ...

Poor Trump bunnies.

The full treatment.

Outside of talking about his ad...imigration never came up when Drumpf spoke here. He knows it is a political loser...