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  • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

    Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Then there are white lies. Not really trying to deceive maliciously. It's a nitpick, frankly. I really had to think before I answered in the affirmative to that question. Would I *like* to believe I'd be impartial? Of course. Thinking about it, *would* I be impartial? And I found the answer would be no.
    Yes, there are white lies, but in the case of a trial or the jury selection process, if the person is intentionally deceiving any officer of the court - judge or attorney - then it's not a white lie. It's a lie, and it could be considered perjury.

    A white lie is a one that does no harm - lying to your friend or spouse in order to set her up for a surprise party; wisely answering the question of whether or not a dress makes her look fat. Those are white lies. If it involves a court of law, no lie is white.
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      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
      Yes, there are white lies, but in the case of a trial or the jury selection process, if the person is intentionally deceiving any officer of the court - judge or attorney - then it's not a white lie. It's a lie, and it could be considered perjury.

      A white lie is a one that does no harm - lying to your friend or spouse in order to set her up for a surprise party; wisely answering the question of whether or not a dress makes her look fat. Those are white lies. If it involves a court of law, no lie is white.
      And yet you all understood what I was saying.
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        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
        And yet you all understood what I was saying.
        Yes, but when talking about the law, semantics matter. Oxford commas matter. It's all the little things that matter, to help ensure that justice is done and as few people as possible are able to skirt it. No, it' not perfect, but paying attention to the little things, the phrasing that goes along with intent of the statement, will show you where someone's biases lay, and whether or on not you can trust them.

        Given that you have family who've been law officers, and your statements on the board, If I were a defense attorney, I wouldn't want you on a case that directly involved the police, or if an officer's testimony was the lynch pin to a case. It's not because you're a bad person, or out to intentionally protect bad cops, you're just more likely to unintentionally err in favor of them. If it were a civil case, I'd have no problem with you serving on the jury.
        "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

        "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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        • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

          Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
          Yes, but when talking about the law, semantics matter. Oxford commas matter. It's all the little things that matter, to help ensure that justice is done and as few people as possible are able to skirt it. No, it' not perfect, but paying attention to the little things, the phrasing that goes along with intent of the statement, will show you where someone's biases lay, and whether or on not you can trust them.

          Given that you have family who've been law officers, and your statements on the board, If I were a defense attorney, I wouldn't want you on a case that directly involved the police, or if an officer's testimony was the lynch pin to a case. It's not because you're a bad person, or out to intentionally protect bad cops, you're just more likely to unintentionally err in favor of them. If it were a civil case, I'd have no problem with you serving on the jury.
          The underlined I will agree with that 100%. And this isn't a legal forum. This is social media. You all understood what I was saying, yet someone felt a need to nitpick, instead of going with the train of thought I was posting about.

          I honestly had to think about that question, and that's the truth. How many folks would answer "Impartial" automatically. From what I know of most of you here, not many would be that way. However, and wow, degenerates like us.......I think we're better than the general public , we'd answer in a more honest way than the average citizen. We accept our faults for the most part, and try and improve.
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          • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

            I could be impartial. I have no ill will towards the police but I also dont think they are always right and perfect. Thinking people make mistakes is not an inherent bias.
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            • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

              It's dam hard for anyone to be completely impartial, even if they try. Confirmation bias and other forms of unintentional bias are both very strong (and deeply seated) and difficult to self-assess. When we are asked if we can be impartial, biases have often already cut that question off at the pass and contaminated the answer.

              That's not to say we are defenseless. Awareness of how biases are created and function certainly goes a long way toward impartiality.
              Last edited by burd; 06-20-2017, 10:31 AM.

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              • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

                Originally posted by burd View Post
                It's dam hard for anyone to be completely impartial, even if they try. Confirmation bias and other forms of unintentional bias are both very strong (and deeply seated) and difficult to self-assess. When we are asked if we can be impartial, biases have often already cut that question off at the pass and contaminated the answer.

                That's not to say we are defenseless. Awareness of how biases are created and function certainly goes a long way toward impartiality.
                This is an excellent site to browse for some of the many ways we are all unconsciously biased or otherwise cognitively impaired. Self-awareness is our best mitigation.

                Here is an example.
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                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  This is an excellent site to browse for some of the many ways we are all unconsciously biased or otherwise cognitively impaired. Self-awareness is our best mitigation.

                  Here is an example.
                  I forgot about this site thanks for posting it! I remember reading the one about procrastination back in 2010 and it really resonated with me but couldn't remember what site I found it on. This site is great though and there are so many people who really don't understand these biases and just think they're completely immune to them (see former GPL poster who thought Delmon Young was elite and constantly ranted about sabermetrics despite having zero understanding of them).
                  Last edited by trixR4kids; 06-20-2017, 12:11 PM.

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                    Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                    I remember reading the one about procrastination back in 2010
                    I've always meant to read that.
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                    • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

                      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                      I forgot about this site thanks for posting it! I remember reading the one about procrastination back in 2010 and it really resonated with me but couldn't remember what site I found it on. This site is great though and there are so many people who really don't understand these biases and just think they're completely immune to them (see former GPL poster who thought Delmon Young was elite and constantly ranted about sabermetrics despite having zero understanding of them).
                      J22?

                      Oh, wait, you said former.

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      I've always meant to read that.
                      I'll read it tomorrow.
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                      • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

                        Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
                        J22?
                        Nah haha, I can PM it to you somehow if you really want to know.

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                        • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

                          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                          (see former GPL poster who thought Delmon Young was elite
                          I thought people who said that were only joking.
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                          • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

                            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                            I thought people who said that were only joking.
                            I don't think this guy was...

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                              Dashcam video of Philando Castille shooting released.
                              Jordan Kawaguchi for Hobey!!
                              Originally posted by Quizmire
                              mns, this is why i love you.

                              Originally posted by Markt
                              MNS - forking genius.

                              Originally posted by asterisk hat
                              MNS - sometimes you gotta answer your true calling. I think yours is being a pimp.

                              Originally posted by hockeybando
                              I am a fan of MNS.

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                              • Re: Cops 4: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

                                Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
                                That is just plain old pathetic...how could you could not see that as manslaughter?
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