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Originally posted by trixR4kids View PostI forgot about this site thanks for posting it! I remember reading the one about procrastination back in 2010 and it really resonated with me but couldn't remember what site I found it on. This site is great though and there are so many people who really don't understand these biases and just think they're completely immune to them (see former GPL poster who thought Delmon Young was elite and constantly ranted about sabermetrics despite having zero understanding of them).
Oh, wait, you said former.
Originally posted by Kepler View PostI've always meant to read that.
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I forgot about this site thanks for posting it! I remember reading the one about procrastination back in 2010 and it really resonated with me but couldn't remember what site I found it on. This site is great though and there are so many people who really don't understand these biases and just think they're completely immune to them (see former GPL poster who thought Delmon Young was elite and constantly ranted about sabermetrics despite having zero understanding of them).Last edited by trixR4kids; 06-20-2017, 12:11 PM.
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Originally posted by burd View PostIt's dam hard for anyone to be completely impartial, even if they try. Confirmation bias and other forms of unintentional bias are both very strong (and deeply seated) and difficult to self-assess. When we are asked if we can be impartial, biases have often already cut that question off at the pass and contaminated the answer.
That's not to say we are defenseless. Awareness of how biases are created and function certainly goes a long way toward impartiality.
Here is an example.
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It's dam hard for anyone to be completely impartial, even if they try. Confirmation bias and other forms of unintentional bias are both very strong (and deeply seated) and difficult to self-assess. When we are asked if we can be impartial, biases have often already cut that question off at the pass and contaminated the answer.
That's not to say we are defenseless. Awareness of how biases are created and function certainly goes a long way toward impartiality.Last edited by burd; 06-20-2017, 10:31 AM.
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I could be impartial. I have no ill will towards the police but I also dont think they are always right and perfect. Thinking people make mistakes is not an inherent bias.
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Originally posted by St. Clown View PostYes, but when talking about the law, semantics matter. Oxford commas matter. It's all the little things that matter, to help ensure that justice is done and as few people as possible are able to skirt it. No, it' not perfect, but paying attention to the little things, the phrasing that goes along with intent of the statement, will show you where someone's biases lay, and whether or on not you can trust them.
Given that you have family who've been law officers, and your statements on the board, If I were a defense attorney, I wouldn't want you on a case that directly involved the police, or if an officer's testimony was the lynch pin to a case. It's not because you're a bad person, or out to intentionally protect bad cops, you're just more likely to unintentionally err in favor of them. If it were a civil case, I'd have no problem with you serving on the jury.
I honestly had to think about that question, and that's the truth. How many folks would answer "Impartial" automatically. From what I know of most of you here, not many would be that way. However, and wow, degenerates like us.......I think we're better than the general public , we'd answer in a more honest way than the average citizen. We accept our faults for the most part, and try and improve.
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostAnd yet you all understood what I was saying.
Given that you have family who've been law officers, and your statements on the board, If I were a defense attorney, I wouldn't want you on a case that directly involved the police, or if an officer's testimony was the lynch pin to a case. It's not because you're a bad person, or out to intentionally protect bad cops, you're just more likely to unintentionally err in favor of them. If it were a civil case, I'd have no problem with you serving on the jury.
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Originally posted by St. Clown View PostYes, there are white lies, but in the case of a trial or the jury selection process, if the person is intentionally deceiving any officer of the court - judge or attorney - then it's not a white lie. It's a lie, and it could be considered perjury.
A white lie is a one that does no harm - lying to your friend or spouse in order to set her up for a surprise party; wisely answering the question of whether or not a dress makes her look fat. Those are white lies. If it involves a court of law, no lie is white.
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostThen there are white lies. Not really trying to deceive maliciously. It's a nitpick, frankly. I really had to think before I answered in the affirmative to that question. Would I *like* to believe I'd be impartial? Of course. Thinking about it, *would* I be impartial? And I found the answer would be no.
A white lie is a one that does no harm - lying to your friend or spouse in order to set her up for a surprise party; wisely answering the question of whether or not a dress makes her look fat. Those are white lies. If it involves a court of law, no lie is white.
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Originally posted by St. Clown View PostHe's right. To tell a lie denotes an intent to deceive. If you believe you're telling the truth yet it's wrong, then you're simply mistaken or fooling yourself.
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Then that's not a white lie. It's an unconscious bias. Two completely different things.
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