Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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NPR (I know, the bastion of [insert your insult here] ) interviewed some folks who were lifelong members of the NRA and this is one of the things they were unhappy about.

My dad gave up his membership over 20 years ago, after "Jack-booted government thugs" escaped Wayne Lapierre's lips following Waco.

[St. Clown]

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This logic makes no sense. The bad guy is a bad guy. He isn't going to think twice~ He is already an idiot if he is thinking of doing it in the first place. Before this was a thing the bad guys didn't seem to be killing or harming people at a greater rate. It isn't like there has been a sharp decrease in crime because people are afraid some cowboy will shoot them.

Where have the mass shootings taken place in the US? Without exception, they've been in "gun free zones." These people may be deranged, but they're also rational, in a sort o way. They're making choices where they will face the least resistance. Even when the shooting happened at the Army base, once you get past the guard posts there are no weapons to be carried on base except by the MPs. The movie theater in Colorado had a sign up stating that guns are not permitted on site.

I'm sure there's a study out there measuring the per capita ownership of firearms over the years and these rates of mass shootings. I really think we have an increase in some sort of mental illnesses due to some unexplained change in society - perhaps we've coddled people too much and now they can't handle hardships the way people in prior generations could, or perhaps it's the increase of chemicals in the food supply interacting with our minds, or any number of possible causes. Guns have been prevalent in society for a long time now, but in the past 20 years something significant has changed.

[bigblue_dl]

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You know, just because you personally can't comprehend something doesn't mean it should be outlawed.

[unofan]

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As far as "hiding it," if a bad guy doesn't know who's carrying and who's not...maybe he rethinks the situation, and finds an easier target(s). It's plausible. If bad guy walks into a gun-free zone (which, btw, is funny, since you can still carry a gun in those zones; you'll just be asked to leave if you're found out), then easy targets.

Sic has repeatedly said he needs his because he comes across wildlife on his land. Why do you need to conceal it from wildlife?

And if you're in that remote of an area, the odds of coming across a "bad guy" are extremely minimal, which negates your point above.

[The Sicatoka]

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I am curious why you would need to conceal your weapon in any of the above situations. Serious question.

If you walk into anywhere with a thigh holster you'll hear the shrieks and go deaf from all the cell phones being dialed "911" at once. Yes, open carry is still legal in ND under very limited circumstances.

But mainly, because if it's not in my vault I want it in my direct possession. If I stop at a gas station or cafe I don't want to leave it in the car. It's in my vault or I can feel it.

[unofan]

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I really think we have an increase in some sort of mental illnesses due to some unexplained change in society.

It's not an increase in mental illness, it's a lack of proper, long-term treatment. The first line of defense for many mentally ill people is jail.

Reagan closing down the majority of mental institutions (by denying them federal funds) may have been the right call given the conditions in most of them, but like many things he did, there was no follow through to deal with the aftermath.

[The Rube]

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Sic has repeatedly said he needs his because he comes across wildlife on his land. Why do you need to conceal it from wildlife?

And if you're in that remote of an area, the odds of coming across a "bad guy" are extremely minimal, which negates your point above.

Don't need to hide it from wildlife, but it does permit you to carry. Bigger picture here.

And remote areas? No witnesses for the bad guys to worry about.

[The Sicatoka]

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The point is that unless you're looking very hard, or the person carrying the weapon is sloppy, you'll not know.

The air marshal waiting for the same flight as me really didn't like it when I recognized he was carrying and quietly "dis-sed" him (and all Feds) for their ridiculous love of Sig Sauers. Wearing a sport coat in June flying out of a warm climate airport (PHX or SAN or similar) is kind of a clue.

[The Rube]

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The air marshal waiting for the same flight as me really didn't like it when I recognized he was carrying and quietly "dis-sed" him (and all Feds) for their ridiculous love of Sig Sauers. Wearing a sport coat in June flying out of a warm climate airport (PHX or SAN or similar) is kind of a clue.

Although he was a cop, so had special privileges, my uncle carried. Never could tell. He didn't make rookie mistakes like the guy you mentioned.

[The Sicatoka]

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Sic has repeatedly said he needs his because he comes across wildlife on his land. Why do you need to conceal it from wildlife?

Again, conceal at home, get in car, drive to remote area, work, drive to town for supplies or lunch, drive back to next remote area, work, go to friends? Supper? Back home?

Now, to help you see the problems:
- Having a loaded gun in a vehicle in ND is ILLEGAL unless you have a concealed carry permit.
- I won't leave a weapon in a locked car unless I'm presented no other choice (like having to go into a government building like a post office).

[The Sicatoka]

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Although he was a cop, so had special privileges, my uncle carried. Never could tell. He didn't make rookie mistakes like the guy you mentioned.

It was bad. His coat was too form fitted* so he was profiling a bit, and his jacket opened when he sat down. If my brain hadn't said, "What kind of fool wears a sport coat in this heat?" I'd have never been observing. That, and I know enough former military and current and former cops.

*Sometimes that "V" torso isn't your friend.

[5mn_Major]

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Even when the shooting happened at the Army base, once you get past the guard posts there are no weapons to be carried on base except by the MPs.

Sorry but this is where it goes absurd. No way was an army base a target because it was 'soft'.

I have become a fan of open carry (vs. conceal). I think the average citizen should absolutely know if they are in danger because others are choosing to pack. It will also shine light on the topic enough to get state congressional action once the average citizen knows the threat from others choosing to carry. It was wise to pick conceal...otherwise there'd be significant more pressure to chuck it.

[Slap Shot]

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Where have the mass shootings taken place in the US? Without exception, they've been in "gun free zones."

In my opinion this is a false equivalency. Mass shootings happened well before the concept, "gun free zones" existed because everywhere was technically gun free. How many types of, "non-gun free zones" are there that would be targeted if they were instead gun free? You can leave police stations et al out of the discussion for obvious reasons.

[St. Clown]

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Sorry but this is where it goes absurd. No way was an army base a target because it was 'soft'.

I have become a fan of open carry (vs. conceal). I think the average citizen should absolutely know if they are in danger because others are choosing to pack. It will also shine light on the topic enough to get state congressional action once the average citizen knows the threat from others choosing to carry. It was wise to pick conceal...otherwise there'd be significant more pressure to chuck it.

You want to spread fear and panic for no good reason whatsoever. The people with conceal carry permits have a far lower rate of committing violent crimes than the non-permit carrying public.

In my opinion this is a false equivalency. Mass shootings happened well before the concept, "gun free zones" existed because everywhere was technically gun free. How many types of, "non-gun free zones" are there that would be targeted if they were instead gun free? You can leave police stations et al out of the discussion for obvious reasons.

Absolutely anywhere where a gunman holds a grudge and thinks he could get maximum carnage. Thankfully, despite their prevalence in the news cycle, these mass shootings are incredibly rare, so it's not something that really ever gives me pause to consider any business's gun policy by placing the "[business name] bans guns on these premises" sign.

[The Rube]

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Absolutely anywhere where a gunman holds a grudge and thinks he could get maximum carnage. Thankfully, despite their prevalence in the news cycle, these mass shootings are incredibly rare, so it's not something that really ever gives me pause to consider any business's gun policy by placing the "[business name] bans guns on these premises" sign.

And as I mentioned earlier, people can still carry guns on those sites. They can only be asked to leave/get kicked out if they are caught carrying a weapon.