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  • #241
    Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

    That airport is usually so crowded it must have been a slaughter, even without a large explosive, though the recent turndown in tourism might have saved many lives. For a metro area of around 20 million, it's an extraordinarily beautiful, peaceful place--just awful. The followup tragedy to this will be Erdogan's response: more authoritarian measures.
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    • #242
      Originally posted by Twitch Boy View Post
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      How many did the SOB kill before taking the easy way out?
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      • #243
        Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        How many did the SOB kill before taking the easy way out?
        Looks like just the one, and it was targeted.

        ETA: She's still alive, but in critical condition.
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        • #244
          Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

          An entire state of morons.

          Texas doesn't require parents who home-school their children to register with state authorities. While families must meet "basic educational goals" in reading, spelling, grammar, mathematics and citizenship, they don't have to give standardized testing or otherwise prove student progress is made.

          Problems for Laura and Michael McIntyre, who once educated their nine children in an empty office at the family's motorcycle dealership in El Paso, arose after an uncle told the school district that he never saw the children do much of anything educational. According to court filings, he also overheard of the children tell a cousin "they did not need to do schoolwork because they were going to be raptured,"
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          • #245
            Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

            I'll bet their family reunions are awkward.

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            • #246
              Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              An entire state of morons.
              Standardized testing is one of the main reasons children are being home-schooled. You're still teaching to a test, and thereby only learning exactly what the government wants you to learn.

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              • #247
                Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                An entire state of morons.
                I think that term is a bit harsh. I'm a product of formal education, including a college undergrad degree and beyond, so I am in favor of everyone getting the best education possible.

                But my experience has also taught me there are people with advanced degrees who lack even the most basic common sense, while people with nothing more than a grade school education achieve success far greater than I could ever hope for.
                That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                • #248
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                  Originally posted by unofan View Post
                  If you read the Washington Post story I posted a few posts back, some NASA engineers invented just such an alarm after this happened to one of them.

                  It didn't sell because most people think they could never do this and because of liability concerns (if you have the alarm but it doesn't work, you could get sued).
                  I've read of some pretty simple hacks to remember the kid in the back. Too lazy to run it through the Google machine. There was a simple one invented by a kid that involved a strap that you unbuckled when putting Junior into his seat and then buckled somewhere in the front(?) thereby blocking/reminding you when you stop the car. Memory is fuzzy, but there are some reasonably simple solutions.

                  I made the mistake of trying to park my car in a city garage with the bike on a roof rack. The guy I wanted to strangle was the bicyclist who found it hilarious as he rode by. I was hoping he'd ride straight into a fire hydrant. Bashed up the fork, did some damage to the rack, but luckily didn't peel the roof off the car.
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                  • #249
                    Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                    I think that term is a bit harsh. I'm a product of formal education, including a college undergrad degree and beyond, so I am in favor of everyone getting the best education possible.

                    But my experience has also taught me there are people with advanced degrees who lack even the most basic common sense, while people with nothing more than a grade school education achieve success far greater than I could ever hope for.
                    The main thrust of the story is that the kids aren't getting any education at all, home or away, and the Texas Supreme Court is OK with that.

                    People at my work homeschool their kids and while I don't share their reasons (Jesus plus fear of darkies) I can see that at least some of them get a decent education in some subjects. But without standards it might as well be the 19th century and the kids are working the farm.
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                    • #250
                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      The main thrust of the story is that the kids aren't getting any education at all, home or away, and the Texas Supreme Court is OK with that.

                      People at my work homeschool their kids and while I don't share their reasons (Jesus plus fear of darkies) I can see that at least some of them get a decent education in some subjects. But without standards it might as well be the 19th century and the kids are working the farm.
                      I was homeschooled from 7th-10th grade. For the first year or so, my mom kept up with it. However, for the second half of that frame, mom got a job outside the home. This meant I was alone for those 2 years, and nothing got done.

                      When I was reintroduced to public education in 11th grade, I found myself in over my head rather quickly, especially in math.
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                      • #251
                        Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                        Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                        I think that term is a bit harsh. I'm a product of formal education, including a college undergrad degree and beyond, so I am in favor of everyone getting the best education possible.

                        But my experience has also taught me there are people with advanced degrees who lack even the most basic common sense, while people with nothing more than a grade school education achieve success far greater than I could ever hope for.
                        How did you come up with this post based on what Kepler posted and the article?
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                        • #252
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                          Originally posted by Twitch Boy View Post
                          Looks like just the one, and it was targeted.

                          ETA: She's still alive, but in critical condition.
                          Victim has died. She had filed for divorce from the shooter.
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                          • #253
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                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            How did you come up with this post based on what Kepler posted and the article?
                            I think "morons" is a particularly harsh term to use, whether you are describing the kids themselves who aren't getting an education (which I don't think Kep was doing) or the people (i.e., parents?) who are facilitating that. Just because someone chooses to home school their children and then does a terrible job at it doesn't justify painting them with the brush of being a "moron."
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                            • #254
                              Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                              Just because someone chooses to home school their children and then does a terrible job at it doesn't justify painting them with the brush of being a "moron."
                              See, that strikes me as a great reason to call them morons. The government is required to provide their kids an education, and they willfully choose to not educate their kids. If that's not moronic, what is?

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                              • #255
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                                Have to agree with uno
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