Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

The "religion of peace" is at it again.

[johnnypohlfan]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

They do. Being an imbecile is not yet a protected class. I see no issue with Urban Bean's decision.

Do you have an issue with a small business telling liberals to stay out? LGBTXYZs?

[johnnypohlfan]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

Both these idiots at the coffee shop, and the "christians" that refuse to make a cake for gay couples are ****ing imbeciles that need to pull their heads out of their ***. Regardless of what side of the aisle they're on, they suck as people.

This.

[Handyman]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

Do you have an issue with a small business telling liberals to stay out? LGBTXYZs?

Telling LGBT people to stay out is not the same as telling a liberal or conservative to stay out. One is discrimination over a protected class, one is doing it cause you dont like their political leanings.

[St. Clown]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

Telling LGBT people to stay out is not the same as telling a liberal or conservative to stay out. One is discrimination over a protected class, one is doing it cause you dont like their political leanings.

Actually, I don't believe there's a federal protected class for being LGBT. Pretty sure that proposed bill failed a few years ago. If there is a class, then it's on a state-by-state basis.

[Handyman]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

Actually, I don't believe there's a federal protected class for being LGBT. Pretty sure that proposed bill failed a few years ago. If there is a class, then it's on a state-by-state basis.

Huh...seems rather odd but ok.

Then by law I would say the shop owner theoretically could deny service to a gay person. It would be as stupid as the other places doing it but I wouldnt call for them to be closed down over it. They also probably get sued and skewered in the court of public opinion

[joecct]

The "religion of peace" is at it again.

So he's going to let God sort 'em out?

[joecct]

Huh...seems rather odd but ok.

Then by law I would say the shop owner theoretically could deny service to a gay person. It would be as stupid as the other places doing it but I wouldnt call for them to be closed down over it. They also probably get sued and skewered in the court of public opinion

State law may address the issue.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

I put "won't make a cake for gay marriage" with smoking in a restaurant. I say let the owner of the establishment decide what they want. If they want to limit who'll give them money economics will decide for them soon enough.

If they want to allow smoking, meh. I'll be somewhere else. (The "cooks and servers" argument doesn't hold with me: Find a different place to work. When the place runs out of cooks and servers they'll change policy.)

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

So he's going to let God sort 'em out?

He will know His own.

[Kepler]

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I put "won't make a cake for gay marriage" with smoking in a restaurant.

It's not a habit, it's an identity -- it has to be in the category with serving blacks and Jews. If you're OK with the restaurant having a "no blacks, no Jews" policy, then you can have your "no gays" policy.

I think it might actually be better if we let the bigots self-identify like that. Make it easier to know who to ignore.

Obviously no public facility should be able to discriminate like that.

[joecct]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

It's not a habit, it's an identity -- it has to be in the category with serving blacks and Jews. If you're OK with the restaurant having a "no blacks, no Jews" policy, then you can have your "no gays" policy.

I think it might actually be better if we let the bigots self-identify like that. Make it easier to know who to ignore.

Obviously no public facility should be able to discriminate like that.

Would the Hot Truck serve somebody in Harvard colors?

[UncleRay]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

Huh...seems rather odd but ok.

Then by law I would say the shop owner theoretically could deny service to a gay person. It would be as stupid as the other places doing it but I wouldnt call for them to be closed down over it. They also probably get sued and skewered in the court of public opinion

Pretty sure that gender and sexual orientation are both federally protected. But political affiliation is not. Which brings up my basic issue with discrimination laws: it is OK to discriminate against some, but not others. Or put another way, The Republican baker cannot discriminate against the coffee-shop-owner-bride because she is a lesbian, but the lesbian coffee shop owner can discriminate against the Republican baker. Legal and fair are two completely different things.

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

Pretty sure that gender and sexual orientation are both federally protected. But political affiliation is not. Which brings up my basic issue with discrimination laws: it is OK to discriminate against some, but not others. Or put another way, The Republican baker cannot discriminate against the coffee-shop-owner-bride because she is a lesbian, but the lesbian coffee shop owner can discriminate against the Republican baker. Legal and fair are two completely different things.

That a line has to be drawn somewhere does not discredit the drawing of lines. It makes sense to me that "integral" attributes (race, ethnicity, gender identity, age, sexual preference) should be protected from discrimination, while "accidental" ideologies (politics, religion, sports fandom) either are or are not based on political debate.

But like I said below, it would be easier if we let the bigots do their thing in broad daylight. The Klan's legal and it's not making their numbers increase.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

I think it might actually be better if we let the bigots self-identify like that. Make it easier to know who to ignore.

Obviously no public facility should be able to discriminate like that.

That's why I have no problem with a restaurant saying "we don't serve left-handed transgenders under five feet tall." Let folks (businesses, etc) self-identify.

In reality, it happens today. Proof? Pulse in Orlando had it's identity (gay bar); that's not a place I'd ever walk into. Not my thing. To each their own. Que sera, sera.

But remember, the "Kwik-e-mart" down the block is not a public facility. City Hall is a public facility.