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  • #676
    Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

    Originally posted by walrus View Post
    How do you know there is anything criminal involved? Pipelines fail but that doesn't mean its criminal
    Correct, but the point is to preclude any criminal charge in advance, even if it is warranted.
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    • #677
      Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      Property damage and fatalities are baked into the magic of the free market. The company's insurance rates will now go sky high and they'll cease to be competitive.

      Except... their industry will lobby Congress to make it impossible to prosecute them criminally; they'll pass their costs onto the same consumers who are currently being poisoned by their mistake; the donor class who are invested in the company will bribe and strong arm their representatives to vote public money to bail them out; the justice system will privilege the social utility of continuing profits over the pain and suffering of the victims and throw out the civil class action suit.
      Capitalism.
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      • #678
        Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

        Genocide still happens. Sick.

        http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isi...azidis-n649126
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        • #679
          Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
          Capitalism.
          It's effective when it's considered a tool to use and regulate.

          The trouble begins when people make it a sacred religion. Especially when the people doing so are powerful and merely covering their tracks / avoiding their responsibilities.

          There's a reason every public library was stocked with Ayn Rand's works. The Kochs put them there, along with a national push for "study groups" and "Objectivist clubs," in one of the greatest mass-propagandizing efforts in history.

          Taxpayers don't just spontaneously cut their own throats -- they have to be filled up with an ideology that tells them to.
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          • #680
            Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            It's effective when it's considered a tool to use and regulate.

            The trouble begins when people make it a sacred religion. Especially when the people doing so are powerful and merely covering their tracks / avoiding their responsibilities.

            There's a reason every public library was stocked with Ayn Rand's works. The Kochs put them there, along with a national push for "study groups" and "Objectivist clubs," in one of the greatest mass-propagandizing efforts in history.

            Taxpayers don't just spontaneously cut their own throats -- they have to be filled up with an ideology that tells them to.
            When you start regulating capitalism, that's when you get cronyism. Then it's about pleasing the bureaucracy.

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            • #681
              Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
              When you start regulating capitalism, that's when you get cronyism. Then it's about pleasing the bureaucracy.
              Yeah, unregulated capitalism is a great idea. We should try it.
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              • #682
                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                Yeah, unregulated capitalism is a great idea. We should try it.
                Funny thing is if the capitalists had a sense of morality, they wouldn't need regulating.

                But many think the Golden Rule means he/she that has the most gold rules and that he who has the most toys wins.

                Look what happened to Richard Corey.
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                • #683
                  Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  Funny thing is if the capitalists had a sense of morality, they wouldn't need regulating.
                  I would say rather that capitalism is inherently amoral, therefore even a moral capitalist, if operating strictly according to the rules, cannot act on his morality (1) because it's uncompetitive, and (2) because he has a responsibility to maximize profits for his investors.

                  Capitalism is like fire or electricity: it can do lots of useful work, but it needs to be contained and managed.

                  The other thing is capitalism is not equivalent to the free market, and in fact capitalism will naturally destroy free markets. Sometimes it does this with the complicity of the government, but it also does it on its own, as large actors distort market conditions in the same way that growing planetoids distort the local gravitational field of a solar system. And the mechanisms by which large actors prevent competition do not necessarily result in public goods like greater efficiency or quality. They can as easily coerce suppliers and drive out competitors, thus resulting in a poorer consumer experience.
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                  • #684
                    Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                    You Have Got to Be Kidding Me...

                    "The Peachtree Ridge resource officer who first questioned T.M. set the tenor of the school’s investigation when he asked her to describe what she was wearing at the time of the assault, according to the complaint, which the family’s lawyers provided to Slate. The complaint says the officer also requested that she explain why she didn’t fight off her assailant: “Why didn’t you bite his ***** and squeeze his balls?” he allegedly asked. (The resource officer did not respond to a request for comment, nor did other school administrators named in the complaint, or the two teachers to whom T.M. originally reported the incident.)

                    The complaint states that within days, T.M. and her parents were informed that she would be suspended, as would the boy, until the school could conduct a joint disciplinary hearing. There, she and the alleged perpetrator, or their legal representatives, would cross-examine each other. If T.M. couldn’t prove that what she’d experienced was assault, she would be disciplined along with the boy for engaging in sexual activity on school grounds, a violation of Peachtree’s rules."
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                    • #685
                      Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      You Have Got to Be Kidding Me...

                      "The Peachtree Ridge resource officer who first questioned T.M. set the tenor of the school’s investigation when he asked her to describe what she was wearing at the time of the assault, according to the complaint, which the family’s lawyers provided to Slate. The complaint says the officer also requested that she explain why she didn’t fight off her assailant: “Why didn’t you bite his ***** and squeeze his balls?” he allegedly asked. (The resource officer did not respond to a request for comment, nor did other school administrators named in the complaint, or the two teachers to whom T.M. originally reported the incident.)

                      The complaint states that within days, T.M. and her parents were informed that she would be suspended, as would the boy, until the school could conduct a joint disciplinary hearing. There, she and the alleged perpetrator, or their legal representatives, would cross-examine each other. If T.M. couldn’t prove that what she’d experienced was assault, she would be disciplined along with the boy for engaging in sexual activity on school grounds, a violation of Peachtree’s rules."
                      Typical.
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                      • #686
                        Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        You Have Got to Be Kidding Me...

                        "The Peachtree Ridge resource officer who first questioned T.M. set the tenor of the school’s investigation when he asked her to describe what she was wearing at the time of the assault, according to the complaint, which the family’s lawyers provided to Slate. The complaint says the officer also requested that she explain why she didn’t fight off her assailant: “Why didn’t you bite his ***** and squeeze his balls?” he allegedly asked. (The resource officer did not respond to a request for comment, nor did other school administrators named in the complaint, or the two teachers to whom T.M. originally reported the incident.)

                        The complaint states that within days, T.M. and her parents were informed that she would be suspended, as would the boy, until the school could conduct a joint disciplinary hearing. There, she and the alleged perpetrator, or their legal representatives, would cross-examine each other. If T.M. couldn’t prove that what she’d experienced was assault, she would be disciplined along with the boy for engaging in sexual activity on school grounds, a violation of Peachtree’s rules."
                        Obviously if this is what actually occurred, it is horrible. However, it's my understanding that the Slate report, upon which this report is based, was itself relying entirely on a complaint prepared by a lawyer making or filing a claim on behalf of his client. Again, not that the allegations in that complaint can't be true, but I hesitate to report as gospel every single allegation that has been made in a lawsuit charge or complaint.
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                        • #687
                          Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                          Ok then lets say hypothetically it is true...what is your response then?
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                          • #688
                            Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            Ok then lets say hypothetically it is true...what is your response then?
                            If the allegations as written by the lawyer prove to be true, the school official should immediately be fired, and the school will end up paying a sizable chunk of change to this family.
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                            • #689
                              Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                              Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                              If the allegations as written by the lawyer prove to be true, the school official should immediately be fired, and the school will end up paying a sizable chunk of change to this family.
                              Agreed.

                              For the record I am not saying if it is or isnt true cause I dont know but the story is worth posting to be discussed which is why I did.
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                              • #690
                                Re: Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

                                Nice school.

                                http://www.startribune.com/und-inves...ine/394284851/
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