Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

[The Rube]

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The "sex laws" in this country are broken, IMO, no doubt about that. Two high-schoolers have sex, they are aged a couple years apart, parents know about it, are fine with it, it's all consensual......sometimes it falls under Statutory Rape and charges are pressed anyways. That's BS, IMO.

False accusations (the infamous Duke case, and later the Rolling Stone case that was the epitome of false reporting) also hurt. You can just be ACCUSED, nothing will come of it, and you are branded for life.

As for this particular case, as was mentioned, he was convicted. He's guilty. So * this guy, literally and figuratively. Zero sympathy for him.

[dxmnkd316]

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There's a reason statutory rape laws are in place.

[The Rube]

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There's a reason statutory rape laws are in place.

I am aware. My beef is that if ALL parties and parents are knowingly allowing this, even approving it, and charges can STILL be pressed? I don't like that. I don't agree with the approvals, and such, but that doesn't mean it should be against the law.....

[Handyman]

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I Wonder Who This Trash Is Voting For

"Down with Mexican's who don't speak the language of the world..."

What the hell is wrong with people?

edit: Follow Up

[The Rube]

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Gonna get roasted here, but while I do NOT agree with the woman's tirade whatsoever; it was rude, insulting, etc....in America, we do speak English. If I visit France, Germany, Russia, whatever, I should be able to at least speak broken (insert language). If I lived in those countries? I expect to speak better than the minimum.

One of the things I find wrong with this country is that we don't have an official language (in law). By default, if you say anything but English, you're kidding yourself.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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As Kep would say, "Colorado has herp-a-derps, too."

[St. Clown]

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I am aware. My beef is that if ALL parties and parents are knowingly allowing this, even approving it, and charges can STILL be pressed? I don't like that. I don't agree with the approvals, and such, but that doesn't mean it should be against the law.....

With what you're saying here, it reads as though you're allowing for those forced couplings, where the child is brainwashed into wanting to marry the guy who's leading the parents'/community's cult.

Now, something tells me that you're not supporting such a thing. However, we have to write the law to cover situations all sorts of situations, which is how these issues came about originally. Many states (all now?) have added what are known as "Romeo and Juliet" laws, which preclude the high school kids, those young lovers intending where no harm to the under aged participant would happen aside from the standard potential outcomes to sexual conduct - STIs, pregnancy, etc.

[The Rube]

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With what you're saying here, it reads as though you're allowing for those forced couplings, where the child is brainwashed into wanting to marry the guy who's leading the parents'/community's cult.

Now, something tells me that you're not supporting such a thing. However, we have to write the law to cover situations all sorts of situations, which is how these issues came about originally. Many states (all now?) have added what are known as "Romeo and Juliet" laws, which preclude the high school kids, those young lovers intending where no harm to the under aged participant would happen aside from the standard potential outcomes to sexual conduct - STIs, pregnancy, etc.

I'm thinking Johnny Football the senior, and Jenny Cheerleader the freshman, who pair up on their own in HS. That sort of thing. I was unaware of the RJ laws....

[joecct]

I'm thinking Johnny Football the senior, and Jenny Cheerleader the freshman, who pair up on their own in HS. That sort of thing. I was unaware of the RJ laws....

What happens when Johnny graduates, joins the Army, and Jenny is a HS soph? When he comes back on leave and they continue the ficky ficky boom boom, is he in trouble?

[Handyman]

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Gonna get roasted here, but while I do NOT agree with the woman's tirade whatsoever; it was rude, insulting, etc....in America, we do speak English. If I visit France, Germany, Russia, whatever, I should be able to at least speak broken (insert language). If I lived in those countries? I expect to speak better than the minimum.

One of the things I find wrong with this country is that we don't have an official language (in law). By default, if you say anything but English, you're kidding yourself.

She is a legal citizen, she can speak whatever language she wants. As long as she understands the language enough to function she should be fine. (and she can since she knew what the idiot was saying)

And let me just tell you Americans dont do what you say they should when they go abroad. They are more apt to mock the language or speak an Americanized version of it than speak the actual language. (go to Mexico sometime it is everywhere)

And just because we dont have a law about an official language doesnt mean English is not the official language. You are the one kidding yourself. Everything is in English first and other languages at the whim of who is in charge. The only reason to make it a law is to bar people who dont speaking it from citizenship...no thank you. White people have no right to say that since a very high percentage of us probably descend from immigrants who did not speak English when they came here or lived here. Maybe if I thought it wouldnt be abused I would agree but we both know the crap that will be tried to keep them out we do crap like that all the time.

[SJHovey]

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She is a legal citizen, she can speak whatever language she wants. As long as she understands the language enough to function she should be fine. (and she can since she knew what the idiot was saying)

And let me just tell you Americans dont do what you say they should when they go abroad. They are more apt to mock the language or speak an Americanized version of it than speak the actual language. (go to Mexico sometime it is everywhere)

And just because we dont have a law about an official language doesnt mean English is not the official language. You are the one kidding yourself. Everything is in English first and other languages at the whim of who is in charge. The only reason to make it a law is to bar people who dont speaking it from citizenship...no thank you. White people have no right to say that since a very high percentage of us probably descend from immigrants who did not speak English when they came here or lived here. Maybe if I thought it wouldnt be abused I would agree but we both know the crap that will be tried to keep them out we do crap like that all the time.

The first generation speaks only the language of the old country. The second generation speaks both. The third generation speaks only the language of the new country. That's the way it's always been.

[St. Clown]

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The first generation speaks only the language of the old country. The second generation speaks both. The third generation speaks only the language of the new country. That's the way it's always been.

It's not quite so clearly delineated as that. I play hockey with a pair of cousins who immigrated to the US from Russia at the same time, came with their grandparents and parents. They older generations speak mostly Russian and a little bit of English. Meanwhile, the cousins, who were both around 10 years old when moving here, just a few months difference in ages, and have varying skills in English. Pavel, he speaks fine English, though it's heavily accented, and can also speak perfect Russian. Demitry, he can speak English without much accent at all, unless you're listening hard, you wouldn't know he immigrated here as a child; he also has a harder time speaking Russian than his cousin - he speaks the Russian equivalence of Spanglish.

Meanwhile, I'm learning through a couple coworkers, both of whom are second generation Americans whose parents moved here from Latin America, they speak both languages just fine (accented), and their kids tend to speak English primarily, but understand everything said to them in Spanish without any loss of translation.

[goldy_331]

The first generation speaks only the language of the old country. The second generation speaks both. The third generation speaks only the language of the new country. That's the way it's always been.

My grandparents came over on the boats separately. Neither spoke much English on arrival. They learned and insisted their kids spoke English. My wife's grandparents were the same. My dad, aunt and uncles had to learn some Norwegian before they went over to visit the old country. Grandma and Grandpa never taught them Norwegian at home, they said "you're Americans, speak English.". Grandma and Grandpa had heavy accents, but spoke only English (unless they were keeping secrets from the kids).

This is not the case today. The Twin Cities have enclaves where only Spanish or Somali or Hmung are spoken. These people are not assimilating and they don't do their kids any service by making English the second language.

[Handyman]

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While that is rather lame, it should never be illegal.

[Slap Shot]

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I also highly question any claim that it's prevalent nor the norm across more than a few households in any of these communities. They know where the bread will be buttered and it's not by insisting their children put English second.

My wife was on the board for the Thai Association of MN for a decade before we moved here and we interacted with hundreds of Thais as well as Hmong, Vietnamese and Koreans. During our involvement we didn't run into a single family that shunned English. I realize that's not the same as the Somalis for instance (which I imagine is the main community in mind in the TC), but where is the evidence even they are refusing to assimilate beyond supposed anecdotes of demanding cultural food options at the food shelf?