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  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Reagan lost Latinos 40-60.
    Dubya lost Latinos 35-65.
    Drumpf? Try some piping hot 10-90.
    The 1st 2 are ex Presidents. Are you suggesting a trend??
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    • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
      The first one is essential. Outside of The Clintonistas no one likes DWS. Bring back Howard Dean his strategy and leadership was awesome and I doubt Bernie has any issues with him. Your second idea is great too...have Bernie out there drumming up support from the Progressives. Use the fact that quite a large percentage like him and his ideas to push forth the Dem agenda country wide.
      I was thinking that myself, but I'm not sure how well Dean and Sanders get along even though they're from the same state. If Sanders pushed for replacing DWS with Howard Dean, I would come out this here message board and take back every negative thing I've said about the man!


      Regarding the smugness article, as a pretty smug guy myself I wasn't as big of a fan of it. Author seemed to gloss over too much and it read like the Nixon Eastern Elite manifesto from the late 60's - early 70's. Also as bronco alluded to the Southern Strategy as well as the whole Lee Atwater model for campaigning made elections for many people not about holding politicians accountable for things they can control but more about racial, religious and moral litmus tests.

      I think people are making this a lot more complicated than it is. When the Greatest Generation was dominant, liberalism thrived as they saw the need for govt intervention in the Great Depression, and international alliances and shared sacrifice of WWII. After them came whiny self centered Baby Boomers who saw none of that. As they hit the voting pool in the 70's and 80's (only the oldest boomers would have been 21 in time for the '68 elections) you started seeing Republicans on the upswing as they spoke to the "me, first" generation. Now that generation is fading along with the older Silent Generation as the Gen X'ers identify with the Clinton Presidency and Millennials want to go even more left, so the Democrats have now outvoted the GOP in 5 out of 6 Presidential contests. Its not a matter of talking down, talking up, or talking sideways. Its generational and demographic.
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      • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

        Originally posted by Rover View Post
        Regarding the smugness article, as a pretty smug guy myself I wasn't as big of a fan of it.
        Don't underestimate yourself.
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        • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          The 1st 2 are ex Presidents. Are you suggesting a trend??
          I'm suggesting demographics is a harsh teacher.
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          • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

            The timetable of conversion from Republic to Empire hums along.
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            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              The timetable of conversion from Republic to Empire hums along.
              Were you referencing the initial reporting errors and need to correct them which greatly diminished any conclusions?
              a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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              • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, but he might be willing to hold the bastard down while I kick him.
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                1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

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                - Benjamin Franklin

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                • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                  Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                  R says, "here, keep more of your money and good luck".
                  And their voters are duped.

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  I'm suggesting demographics is a harsh teacher.
                  Just ask Bernie.
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                  • Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                    stop it.

                    this isn't news either. mookie knows he been observing that for a long time. D always tries to tell you they know what's better for you. if anything R is the exact opposite with their policies. R says, "here, keep more of your money and good luck".
                    It has always seemed to me that R simply figured out how well it worked to tell people "here, keep your money" and, at the same time, promoting policies the ensured they would have less to keep.

                    The low to middle income earners, at least.

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                    • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                      Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                      Were you referencing the initial reporting errors and need to correct them which greatly diminished any conclusions?
                      Mookie's being too cryptic for me. Huh?
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                      • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                        It starts.

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                        1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                        ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                        - Benjamin Franklin

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                        I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                        • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                          Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          Starts? I think it started sometime back in 1992, at a minimum.

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                          • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                            Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                            Starts? I think it started sometime back in 1992, at a minimum.
                            Probably before that in Arkansas.

                            But at least this time it's inevitable. Any Democratic nominee has to get used to being called a Statist Socialist Satanist.
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                            • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              Any Democratic nominee has to get used to being called a Statist Socialist Satanist.
                              Hillary would call herself all three of those things, if she knew it would guarantee her the White House.

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                              • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                                Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                                Hillary would call herself all three of those things, if she knew it would guarantee her the White House.
                                As opposed to every other person that's run for President since Washington.
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                                Maybe I'm missing something but you just asked me which MSU I go to and then you knew the theme of my homecoming, how do you know one and not the other?

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