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  • #676
    Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

    I just saw a great tweet a couple minutes ago.

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    Shouldn't #TedCruz have been forced to carry his unviable campaign to term?
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    • #677
      Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
      I just saw a great tweet a couple minutes ago.

      @FullFrontalSamB
      Shouldn't #TedCruz have been forced to carry his unviable campaign to term?
      That joke sounds familiar. I know I've heard it in the past year in reference to another candidate, that account has just re-purposed it for Cruz.

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      • #678
        Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

        tD is not a stupid man. Hillary is not a stupid woman. Each probably has intelligence sources in the private/public sector.

        Who has the most dirt on the other? The debates could be epic bomb throwing.
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        • #679
          Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          tD is not a stupid man. Hillary is not a stupid woman. Each probably has intelligence sources in the private/public sector.

          Who has the most dirt on the other? The debates could be epic bomb throwing.
          It won't move the needle. They have been public figures for 25 years. People long ago decided whether they hated or really hated them.
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          • #680
            Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            People long ago decided whether they hated or really hated them.
            Hate is a strong word, Kep. I have disliked Hillary for many years because of her unbridled ambition for power, as well as the "♀♀♀♀♀♀♀♀!!!!!" pathos of some of her sycophantic female constituents. That said, I have always admired her figurative balls of steel, and I did gain some respect for her during her tenure as SoS. I dislike Trump because he's Trump, but I can somewhat respect that he has built a brand far larger than Fred Sr. could have ever envisioned, and while he once severely overextended himself, still savvily avoided personal bankruptcy and the total loss of the family fortune. Hell, he came back even stronger. A lesser charlatan would've certainly succumbed to personal bankruptcy in 1991, and been a mere footnote in 80s history.

            That said, none of these...erm..."qualities", are reasons to rush out and vote for either of them to be Leader of the Free World.

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            • #681
              Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

              Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
              That said, none of these...erm..."qualities", are reasons to rush out and vote for either of them to be Leader of the Free World.
              The county legislature chairman, a Democrat, was on my morning show this week. To paraphrase his response to my question about the historic-level negatives for Trump and Clinton, he said his comes from insulting women, minorities, etc., while hers comes from 25 years or so of "doing things."
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              • #682
                Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                I think the "I can't believe these are the two choices I have" is one of the more tired clichés in politics. Probably has been going on since Washington bagged it after two terms. Given the robust primary season we've had, the answer is yes, these are your two choices. If John Kasich truly appealed to the electorate, he would have had no trouble beating a carnival barker and a Canadian citizen for the nomination.

                Here's a few more! "The election is too close to call!!!!" Inspired by the once in 100 years election of 2000, we'll be hearing that until the end of time. In 2012, even using Rasmussen polling Obama was going to win easily, yet we were supposed to be on pins and needles for a race that got called about 10 minutes after the polls closed on the West Coast.

                "There's going to be a brokered convention!" Once Trump crushed it on Super Tuesday, this race was over. He was always going to kill it in the Northeast when the primary got there, but Super Tuesday and the mini Super Tuesday a few weeks later showed him as the only candidate with appeal in all regions. Yet, pundidiotry had a brokered convention right up until Indiana eve.

                "Candidate xxxx may not be able to unite the party". Has this ever happened since the last contested convention? Companion screed is that candidate xxx won't be able to raise enough money due to long primary. Aside from maybe Dole in 96 in a race that was pretty much over by Labor Day, has there been a nominee who hasn't had access to enough funds to compete?

                I'm sure there's more out there that we'll be hearing real soon...
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                • #683
                  Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                  I think that first one holds true for this election.

                  Americans' distaste for Trump and Clinton is historic.
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                  • #684
                    Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                    HRC won tomorrow's Guam caucus.
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                    • #685
                      Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                      I would love to get inside Trump's head and find out why he's really running. I think we can speculate, make jokes, condescend, or whatever, but I want to know what the exact moment he decided to actually do it. I want to know what is still driving it. I'm sure the common response is that he's just an egomaniac. That's probably true, but there has to be more. Running for president isn't easy or fun. It's much easier, cheaper, and probably more effective to quietly sit behind the scenes and lobby.

                      The problem is, no matter what he says, it's probably a fabrication. His character is so carefully constructed that it's imperative he keeps the narrative going to his deathbed.
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                      • #686
                        Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                        Originally posted by Rover View Post
                        I think the "I can't believe these are the two choices I have" is one of the more tired clichés in politics. Probably has been going on since Washington bagged it after two terms. Given the robust primary season we've had, the answer is yes, these are your two choices. If John Kasich truly appealed to the electorate, he would have had no trouble beating a carnival barker and a Canadian citizen for the nomination.
                        This is not unsurprisingly wrong.

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                        • #687
                          Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                          I would love to get inside Trump's head and find out why he's really running. I think we can speculate, make jokes, condescend, or whatever, but I want to know what the exact moment he decided to actually do it. I want to know what is still driving it. I'm sure the common response is that he's just an egomaniac. That's probably true, but there has to be more. Running for president isn't easy or fun. It's much easier, cheaper, and probably more effective to quietly sit behind the scenes and lobby.

                          The problem is, no matter what he says, it's probably a fabrication. His character is so carefully constructed that it's imperative he keeps the narrative going to his deathbed.
                          I'm convinced he thinks it's the ultimate game of Celebrity Apprentice.
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                          • #688
                            Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                            Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                            Hate is a strong word, Kep. I have disliked Hillary for many years because of her unbridled ambition for power, as well as the "♀♀♀♀♀♀♀♀!!!!!" pathos of some of her sycophantic female constituents. That said, I have always admired her figurative balls of steel, and I did gain some respect for her during her tenure as SoS. I dislike Trump because he's Trump, but I can somewhat respect that he has built a brand far larger than Fred Sr. could have ever envisioned, and while he once severely overextended himself, still savvily avoided personal bankruptcy and the total loss of the family fortune. Hell, he came back even stronger. A lesser charlatan would've certainly succumbed to personal bankruptcy in 1991, and been a mere footnote in 80s history.

                            That said, none of these...erm..."qualities", are reasons to rush out and vote for either of them to be Leader of the Free World.
                            1. Yes, Hillary has showed excellent qualifications through a long political career, but God forbid someone running for President actually wants the job. Hillary must be the first person running to ever be like that. Oh wait, no, all of them have, she's the first woman to dare doing so. That's going to be the big difference between Obama and Hillary. Racism might be uglier, but latent sexism is far more pervasive.

                            2. Could Fred Sr. imagine investing his wealth in the S&P 500? Because that would have produced far more wealth than what his son has.
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                            • #689
                              Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                              Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                              I would love to get inside Trump's head and find out why he's really running. I think we can speculate, make jokes, condescend, or whatever, but I want to know what the exact moment he decided to actually do it. I want to know what is still driving it. I'm sure the common response is that he's just an egomaniac. That's probably true, but there has to be more. Running for president isn't easy or fun. It's much easier, cheaper, and probably more effective to quietly sit behind the scenes and lobby.

                              The problem is, no matter what he says, it's probably a fabrication. His character is so carefully constructed that it's imperative he keeps the narrative going to his deathbed.
                              I've seen speculation that it was one of the WH Correspondents dinners, where Obama heckled him somewhat. Being the thin-skinned narcissist that he is, that just couldn't stand. Had to put that uppity Kenyan Socialist in his place

                              And that article posted earlier, from the authors who've written of him, combine that narcissism with an intense need to be loved, and there you go.
                              What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                              • #690
                                Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                                anyone who wants to be president is by default a narcissistic egomaniac. we'd have to go back to gerald ford to find someone otherwise, but even he was somewhat in the same mold here as an athlete & career politician.
                                a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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