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  • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Crosstabs from the CNN/ORC Poll:

    Overall: Clinton +13 (54-41)

    Men: tie (47-47)
    Women: Clinton +26 (61-35)

    White: Trump +9 (52-43)
    Non-white: Clinton +67 (81-14)

    Democratic: Clinton +89 (94-5)
    Independent: Clinton +11 (51-40)
    Republican: Trump +72 (84-12)
    I get the feeling that those numbers among Republicans would be worse if anyone but Clinton were the D nominee.

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    • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

      Maize, is that physician quote a real quote?

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      • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
        If I were a Democratic operative, I would be very careful advertising those numbers. It froths up the GOP and makes the Dems overly confident thinking, "Hillary is going to crush it. I probably don't need to vote."

        That and we haven't seen numbers like those since 1996 when Perot farked things up and, before that, it was 1984 where we last saw numbers like that between two candidates. It was 1932 and 1928 we last saw a non-incumbent pull that kind of lead. So I'm not entirely sure I buy those numbers.
        The Dems are not going to get cocky and not vote...maybe they would in a normal election but not one where the Supreme Court is on the line.
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        • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

          I'm missing Obama already. He's not perfect, but we really haven't had anyone as talented in the chair in many, many years.

          He just spoke. His message regarding the election 1) the American people need to understand candidate policies and know when they can't work and have it called out 2) Democrats pretty much agree on policy...there's a debate in the GOP and everyone (esp Republicans) need to ask themselves 'is this the candidate who backs things that I care about'.

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Crosstabs from the CNN/ORC Poll:

          Overall: Clinton +13 (54-41)

          Men: tie (47-47)
          Women: Clinton +26 (61-35)

          White: Trump +9 (52-43)
          Non-white: Clinton +67 (81-14)

          Democratic: Clinton +89 (94-5)
          Independent: Clinton +11 (51-40)
          Republican: Trump +72 (84-12)
          As a comparison, Clinton is actually doing better with whites than Obama did. Clinton has backing of 43%...Obama got 39%. As with Dx, I don't believe that these numbers will stay. Trumps going to rise...but he's got a loong way to go. Time is on his side, but the real wild card that appears what's needed for him is investigation results.
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          • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

            Originally posted by French Rage View Post
            Maize, is that physician quote a real quote?
            Yes, it's from a 1997 New Yorker profile.
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            Yep, you got it. I heart Maize.

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            • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

              Originally posted by Handyman View Post
              The Dems are not going to get cocky and not vote...maybe they would in a normal election but not one where the Supreme Court is on the line.
              That's likely going to be off the table. Now that Trump has been nominated the GOP is getting behind Garland.
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              • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                I get the feeling that those numbers among Republicans would be worse if anyone but Clinton were the D nominee.
                Bernie was consistently running 6 points better than Clinton against Drumpf, so you may be right.

                Doesn't matter, though. Contrafactuals are fun but you go to the election with the candidate you have, not the candidate you wish you had. Hillary will be fine. This is an election where nobody is going to be a "leaner." The sides are set in theological concrete, and either candidate could murder a puppy on live TV and not lose a voter.
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                • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                  Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                  I'm missing Obama already. He's not perfect, but we really haven't had anyone as talented in the chair in many, many years.
                  By the end of this campaign only the Bitter Enders are going to be negative towards Obama. He's already back over 50 in favorables, and by the time the country has had 6 months of those two going at it he's going to be higher.

                  He actually has been a **** good president, especially considering he's had to govern for 6 of 8 years against a Republican party that is a screaming toddler wearing a suicide vest.
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                  • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                    Time is on his side, but the real wild card that appears what's needed for him is investigation results.
                    Depends which investigation.
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                    • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                      Originally posted by walrus View Post
                      Chris Mathews must be a switch hitter, tingle down the leg over Obama and apparently the runway walk of Trumps wife.
                      Thought Bush was the one who gave him the tingle down his leg? In the flight suit, you know, showing off the package.
                      What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                      • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                        Originally posted by rufus View Post
                        Thought Bush was the one who gave him the tingle down his leg? In the flight suit, you know, showing off the package.
                        It was barack HUSSEIN!!!111!1 obama.
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                        • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                          That's likely going to be off the table. Now that Trump has been nominated the GOP is getting behind Garland.
                          They wont confirm him...they have put too much into the stonewall they cant back track now especially since the nutters will vote them out since they are voting for Drumpf.
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                          • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Bernie was consistently running 6 points better than Clinton against Drumpf, so you may be right.

                            Doesn't matter, though. Contrafactuals are fun but you go to the election with the candidate you have, not the candidate you wish you had. Hillary will be fine. This is an election where nobody is going to be a "leaner." The sides are set in theological concrete, and either candidate could murder a puppy on live TV and not lose a voter.
                            Especially after a couple of debates between her and the Donald. I can't believe he could even lay a glove on her policy-wise, only personal atacks, which is supporters would lap up like Pavlov's dog. But she would eviscerate him on everything else.
                            What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                            • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                              Originally posted by rufus View Post
                              Especially after a couple of debates between her and the Donald. I can't believe he could even lay a glove on her policy-wise, only personal atacks, which is supporters would lap up like Pavlov's dog. But she would eviscerate him on everything else.
                              The Dubya debates taught me believers will see their candidate as "winning" the debate no matter what happens. The first debate in 2000 showed Dubya was a drooling moron; even the mic up his back couldn't even help him. That night Republicans overwhelmingly said they thought he "won."

                              You can't fix a cognitive bias that refashions reality to that degree.

                              The only way to grade a political debate is to have a panel of people who don't know or care about the issues evaluate it. The news shows shouldn't bother with focus groups of Dems, Republicans, or Independents. They should enpanel Nepalese sherpas or Australian aboriginees.
                              Last edited by Kepler; 05-06-2016, 12:53 PM.
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                              • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                                They wont confirm him...they have put too much into the stonewall they cant back track now especially since the nutters will vote them out since they are voting for Drumpf.
                                I can't agree. I think they will. They're afraid if Hillary gets in and the Dems take over the Senate she'll nominate a true liberal. Obama was going for super legacy by naming Garland.
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