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  • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

    Originally posted by unofan View Post
    This isn't your average obstructionism, this is unprecedented absurdity.
    I agree with you, the GOP is making the maximum number of mistakes possible in this whole process, likely leading to more of their party's members losing their races come November. It's just I find it equally absurd to look at a confirmation process from 25 years ago to argue that today's complaints by the GOP carry no weight.
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    "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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    • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

      So now that Ted Cruz is toast is Carly Fiorina still running for Veep? Nice career move by her to join the ticket just in time to see it go swirling down the crapper.
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      • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

        "But we'll get into all that. Let me give you one little thing: My instinctive feeling right now is that Trump is gonna win, beat Hillary badly, that it could be landslide proportions. " - Rush Limbaugh
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        • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

          Yup, he's doing his job: promoting all things R and denouncing all things D when it comes to the elections. Why bother quoting him?
          "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

          "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

          "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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          • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
            Yup, he's doing his job: promoting all things R and denouncing all things D when it comes to the elections. Why bother quoting him?
            Because he claims conservatism. I'll bet he uses the term conservative 100 times a day on his radio show. While liberal can be used to accurately describe Democrats (and Republicans somehow managed to turn it into a derogatory term), conservative can no longer be used to describe Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, the GOP or anyone associated with it.

            I find that interesting.
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            • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              "But we'll get into all that. Let me give you one little thing: My instinctive feeling right now is that Trump is gonna win, beat Hillary badly, that it could be landslide proportions. " - Rush Limbaugh
              Holy smokes! Maybe Rush is right in claiming a large portion of his listeners are liberals looking for a quote.
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              • Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                Holy smokes! Maybe Rush is right in claiming a large portion of his listeners are liberals looking for a quote.
                That shouldn't be a surprise, all shock jock radio (of which Rush and his ilk are charter members, along with Stern) know this is true.

                The anecdote is:
                The average radio listener will turn the dial after 6 minutes.
                Fans of Howard Stern listen for 15 minutes because they want to hear what he'll say next.
                Detractors of Howard Stern listen for 30 minutes...because they want to hear what he'll say next.

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                • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  Also, I find it laughable that President Obama pussed out and nominated a centrist and the GOP is still crying rivers of tears.
                  Obama explicitly said he was trying to end the ***-for-tat feud by nominating somebody maximally acceptable. It wasn't a wuss out -- he has his eye squarely on the history books. Pretty much everything Obama has done fits his self-image as "National Healer Ahead of His Time." He's run his presidency as a historian looking backwards from 2050.
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                  • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    Because he claims conservatism. I'll bet he uses the term conservative 100 times a day on his radio show. While liberal can be used to accurately describe Democrats (and Republicans somehow managed to turn it into a derogatory term), conservative can no longer be used to describe Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, the GOP or anyone associated with it.

                    I find that interesting.
                    Why? Trump is basically the same platform as Cruz and Rubio, other than his critique of Bush's Iraq folly, which good Repubs just don't do. Maybe he's a bit more isolationist/anti-free trade than Repub orthodoxy, but who knows how much of that is just talk to win over the angry white man rubes.

                    But immigration, racism, bashing the poors etc., is right there with them, and most everyone else in today's Republican party. Only difference is he comes right out and says it, instead of speaking in coded terms and dog whistles.
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                    • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                      Originally posted by rufus View Post
                      Why? Trump is basically the same platform as Cruz and Rubio, other than his critique of Bush's Iraq folly, which good Repubs just don't do. Maybe he's a bit more isolationist/anti-free trade than Repub orthodoxy, but who knows how much of that is just talk to win over the angry white man rubes.

                      But immigration, racism, bashing the poors etc., is right there with them, and most everyone else in today's Republican party. Only difference is he comes right out and says it, instead of speaking in coded terms and dog whistles.
                      Yes, but it's not conservative. Conservatism ended when W took office.
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                      • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                        Yes, but it's not conservative. Conservatism ended when W took office.
                        Conservatism ended when Goldwater beat Taft.
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                        • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          Conservatism ended when Goldwater beat Taft.
                          Sure, that's another line in history. I was giving everyone after that the benefit of the doubt. W took it to another level.
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                          • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                            Sure, that's another line in history. I was giving everyone after that the benefit of the doubt. W took it to another level.
                            In all honesty there has probably never been a honest "conservative" movement in the United States. We've had strains of militarism, authoritarianism, and theocratic fascism masquerade as conservatism, but nothing Burke would have approved of.
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                            • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              In all honesty there has probably never been a honest "conservative" movement in the United States. We've had strains of militarism, authoritarianism, and theocratic fascism masquerade as conservatism, but nothing Burke would have approved of.
                              So, they turned liberal into a bad word because their word was always a lie.

                              Makes sense.
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                              • Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                Yes, but it's not conservative. Conservatism ended when W took office.
                                Well yeah. I don't think any Republican is truly conservative, in the mold of William F. Buckley conservatism, especially over the last 20 years or so. Even Reagan can't really be considered conservative, given how he ballooned the federal debt.

                                That word is just meaningless, just another code word to con the rubes. Today's conservative cares about two things, tax cuts for the rich, and cutting social services. Just like every other Republican.
                                What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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