Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

[Rover]

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Gotta keep the kids involved, I assume. I wouldn't worry about it, though maybe they shouldn't send Bill to WV anymore.

Per the Cleveland Screw Job, Donald will not go gentle into that dark night.

Bill should have told them to F off.

Hoping for a big Trump win tomorrow night. Then we get to see the agony on the faces of Goopers as he becomes inevitable, but they still come up with ever more outlandish plans to deny him the nomination!

[Kepler]

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Hoping for a big Trump win tomorrow night. Then we get to see the agony on the faces of Goopers as he becomes inevitable, but they still come up with ever more outlandish plans to deny him the nomination!

I can't decide. On the one hand I should hope for locking in Drumpf and not be greedy. But on the other hand, if he cruises into Cleveland with about 1100 delegates, it might make Chicago 68 look like a tea party.

The GOP deserves the death penalty for its 30-year run of cynicism and crime, and maybe we could at long last exorcise the theocon and neocon fascists from our politics and spawn a 19th Century-style "neoliberal" conservative party to compete with a genuinely progressive Democratic party. That's a project worth a little mid-July mayhem.

[joecct]

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Chuckles:

@AnnCoulter: Trump now has 3 surefire ways to finish off Cruz: 1) Indiana; 2) California; 3) Garlic and Crucifixes.

[mookie1995]

Gotta keep the kids involved, I assume. I wouldn't worry about it, though maybe they shouldn't send Bill to WV anymore.

Per the Cleveland Screw Job, Donald will not go gentle into that dark night.

Hilly is pro coal?!?!?

Wow

[Handyman]

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I dont buy this "future run" for Cruz meme. This is his one shot at winning the nomination and the only reason he has a sliver of a chance this time is cause most of the party seems to hate Drumpf. When Ted is running against real GOPers he will be slaughtered cause he is by far the most hated person in the party.

[mookie1995]

I dont buy this "future run" for Cruz meme. This is his one shot at winning the nomination and the only reason he has a sliver of a chance this time is cause most of the party seems to hate Drumpf. When Ted is running against real GOPers he will be slaughtered cause he is by far the most hated person in the party.

He is also backing fading demographics

Nobody wants a flat tax. People want others to pay tax

Nobody like white men.

Public doesn't care about abortion

All these Syrian refugees ain't increasing the Judeo/Christian values (which just means white folk) population

This is his last chance

[French Rage]

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I dont buy this "future run" for Cruz meme. This is his one shot at winning the nomination and the only reason he has a sliver of a chance this time is cause most of the party seems to hate Drumpf. When Ted is running against real GOPers he will be slaughtered cause he is by far the most hated person in the party.

Yeah it's funny that in any other race in history he would be the one the rest of the party is uniting to stop, except in this one case where the other guy is worse. It's comical.

[Rover]

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I'm really curious who represents the "future" of the GOP however. Here's a hint. Its ain't Marco freakin' Rubio.

Trump has changed the equation in several ways. The idea for example that working class whites should take a reduction in benefits to pay for Mitt Romney's tax breaks is most likely dead and buried. But, a hard line in immigration is the new norm. Trade deals are also most likely DOA on both sides, unless its with a country like Canada or England. These positions pit the Trump wing of the party directly against the corporate paymasters that fund it. Should be real interesting to see how that shakes out.

[joecct]

I'm really curious who represents the "future" of the GOP however. Here's a hint. Its ain't Marco freakin' Rubio.

Trump has changed the equation in several ways. The idea for example that working class whites should take a reduction in benefits to pay for Mitt Romney's tax breaks is most likely dead and buried. But, a hard line in immigration is the new norm. Trade deals are also most likely DOA on both sides, unless its with a country like Canada or England. These positions pit the Trump wing of the party directly against the corporate paymasters that fund it. Should be real interesting to see how that shakes out.

Imagine if Bernie had the same lead that tD has. I would imagine a large portion of your party would be suffering from apoplexy too.

[mookie1995]

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Well just looking at fb this morning for me has peeps that support Bernie & peeps that support tD sharing some Intel story about them firing 12k and requesting 14k foreign work visas.
That appears to be a subject that crosses lines which anyone who goes looking to fill their PAC coffers is going to blush

[Rover]

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Imagine if Bernie had the same lead that tD has. I would imagine a large portion of your party would be suffering from apoplexy too.

That's entirely possible. However in the case of the Dems the rank and file chose the more middle of the road candidate while the GOP went to the extreme. Recall too that the runner up wasn't so-called moderate John Kasich (or Rubio who still has more delegates than Kasich). Its Calgary Ted, a guy in some ways even MORE extreme than Trump. Nutter candidates have won about 80% of the GOP primary vote. That ought to tell you all you need to know.

[Kepler]

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I'm really curious who represents the "future" of the GOP however. Here's a hint. Its ain't Marco freakin' Rubio.

Yeah it is. Marco Rubio the person came off as a cross between a ventriloquist dummy and Chip Diller, but Marco Rubio the Platonic ideal is exactly the future of the GOP: immigranty but not too scary to rural whites, second generation filled with entrepreneurial pep and a simplistic equation of all government with the dictatorship back in the Olde Country, photogenic and superficially religious without getting too heavy. A fellow you'd like on your PTA. One of the "good ones."

That's their way out of their demographic death spiral. I'm sure right now there's an assembly line churning out a million Marco Rubios to come 'splain to us about how American exceptionalism is all that's standing between us and a Nicaraguan hellhole.

Thing is, the actual issues to create a new GOP are just lying around, unclaimed by either party. The Democrats abandoned the working class and the GOP frontrunners are con artists who will use them but never give them what they want. Marco Rubio version 2.0 will actually believe in re-empowering the American working class. He'll take the old Reaganesque "regulation is stifling bidness" routine, warm it over by drumming up a new cold war against China, and add some "I like to be in A-mer-eee-ca!" caliente.

[LynahFan]

Hilly is pro coal?!?!?

Wow

She's anti coal, not anti-miner. She has a grand plan for them: "Let them build solar panels!"

[Kepler]

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She's anti coal, not anti-miner. She has a grand plan for them: "Let them build solar panels!"

In reality I think she buys the "clean coal" con. That seems like the sort of triangulation that allows her to strike a pose but keeps the money pouring in. Vintage Bill & Hill.

[Rover]

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Yeah it is. Marco Rubio the person came off as a cross between a ventriloquist dummy and Chip Diller, but Marco Rubio the Platonic ideal is exactly the future of the GOP: immigranty but not too scary to rural whites, second generation filled with entrepreneurial pep and a simplistic equation of all government with the dictatorship back in the Olde Country, photogenic and superficially religious without getting too heavy. A fellow you'd like on your PTA. One of the "good ones."

That's their way out of their demographic death spiral. I'm sure right now there's an assembly line churning out a million Marco Rubios to come 'splain to us about how American exceptionalism is all that's standing between us and a Nicaraguan hellhole.

Thing is, the actual issues to create a new GOP are just lying around, unclaimed by either party. The Democrats abandoned the working class and the GOP frontrunners are con artists who will use them but never give them what they want. Marco Rubio version 2.0 will actually believe in re-empowering the American working class. He'll take the old Reaganesque "regulation is stifling bidness" routine, warm it over by drumming up a new cold war against China, and add some "I like to be in A-mer-eee-ca!" caliente.

I'll believe it when I see it when the White Power Party nominates a Cuban or Black or Hispanic or Indian candidate. I hate to be cynical, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon.