Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XI: the Two Party Problem

But those voters don't fear Hillary, they just hate her. Whereas they actually feared Obama was going to pull off his face at the inauguration and reveal the mark of the Beast.

Fear gets people to the polls. If hate was enough Dubya would have been a one-termer.

Voters didn't fear Gore either. Gore lost because there was too much level pulling for 2000's Bernie.

[Kepler]

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Voters didn't fear Gore either. Gore lost because there was too much level pulling for 2000's Bernie.

This is relevant how?

[Kepler]

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They asked people who really know Drumpf well what makes him tick.

[unofan]

The seven stages of grief are a reasonable response to the fact that Hillary and tDonald are (seriously?) the best two candidates the United States of America can put forth for the office of President. Give them a couple months to work through it.

If Hillary were a man, I doubt she'd get as much criticism. She'll be the most qualified candidate we've had in decades, even excluding the "first women to do X" spots on her resume:

Undergrad at Wellesley, J.D. from Yale,
Former chair of the Legal Services Corporation
Former partner in a prestigious law firm
Served on the board of directors at Wal-Mart and other major corporations
Two-term Senator from NY
Former Secretary of State
Significant role in an international charitable organization (the Clinton foundation)

If your biggest complaint about her is the tone of her voice, she's already won.

[BassAle]

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My hope is they are canceled out by the kind of super-fundy right voter who won't support someone with Drumpf's obvious disdain for religion.

but the bible is his favorite book!

[ScoobyDoo]

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This is relevant how?

It's relevant because the Orcs never deviate. They always vote the ticket up and down. Liberals don't do that. Never have. Thus it is my opinion that Hillary hatred will outweigh Trump hatred in the voting booth by a significant margin.

That most likely will be massively offset by demographics. The Supreme Court in my opinion is a wash on bothsides cause it will bring out both bases.

[St. Clown]

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The seven stages of grief are a reasonable response to the fact that Hillary and tDonald are (seriously?) the best two candidates the United States of America can put forth for the office of President. Give them a couple months to work through it.

Don't confuse the most popular with being the best. They are two different things, sometimes they are the same people and other times not.

[joecct]

It's relevant because the Orcs never deviate. They always vote the ticket up and down. Liberals don't do that. Never have. Thus it is my opinion that Hillary hatred will outweigh Trump hatred in the voting booth by a significant margin.

That most likely will be massively offset by demographics. The Supreme Court in my opinion is a wash on bothsides cause it will bring out both bases.

Liberals never have? To quote @dick_nixon, "My God!"

[Rover]

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Problem with SCOTUS pick is it helps Democrats more than Republicans. Why? Because there's more Democrats than Republicans (including independent "leanens" for each side). If one side has outvoted the other in 5 out of the last 6 elections, logic would dictate you don't hand them an issue to galvanize their interest in the upcoming contest. Its entirely possible some hardcore Sanders supporters skip this election. I've heard up to 25% in some polls. That would translate to a couple million votes, although bear in mind some of those are new voters. Based on 2012 Hillary has a 5M vote cushion to work with, plus most likely increased Hispanic turnout due to Trump. I seriously doubt a quarter of Sanders voters stay home given the stakes (liberal control of SCOTUS) this election so she has some room to spare provided she turns out the Obama coalition again.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Liberals never have? To quote @dick_nixon, "My God!"

Only way to explain 2000 and 2004. That son of a ***** never should have been President.

[geezer]

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If Hillary were a man, I doubt she'd get as much criticism. She'll be the most qualified candidate we've had in decades, even excluding the "first women to do X" spots on her resume:

Undergrad at Wellesley, J.D. from Yale,
Former chair of the Legal Services Corporation
Former partner in a prestigious law firm
Served on the board of directors at Wal-Mart and other major corporations
Two-term Senator from NY
Former Secretary of State
Significant role in an international charitable organization (the Clinton foundation)

If your biggest complaint about her is the tone of her voice, she's already won.

No doubt she'll win, but none of that precludes her being a lying criminal... while tDonald is a criminal liar, which is even worse. I'm just a bit depressed that we couldn't do better.

[joecct]

Only way to explain 2000 and 2004. That son of a ***** never should have been President.

If the D's ran a better candidate in 2004....

(Which is what every losing side says)

[ScoobyDoo]

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If the D's ran a better candidate in 2004....

(Which is what every losing side says)

LOL. That's my point. Thanks.

[Kepler]

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Democratic turnout is a serious problem in midterms but not in presidential years. Our last four losses -- Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry - were all problems with the candidate, not with motivating the base.

The Culture Wars works primarily as reaction: people get upset they are being attacked by the other camp and that gives them the energy to organize and fight back. That's how Rove won elections with Dubya. But it works both ways, and I don't think anybody is ready for how offensive the right behind Drumpf will be against a woman candidate for president. The racist dog whistles didn't hurt them any because all the blacks were already on the other side, but when they start in with the equivalent of a national MRA campaign, that's going to really twist the knife on women inside their own party.

[BassAle]

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Democratic turnout is a serious problem in midterms but not in presidential years. Our last four losses -- Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry - were all problems with the candidate, not with motivating the base.

I still don't understand how anyone could think Bush was a better choice than Gore, and then after Iraq I'm even more confused how someone could pull the lever for that moron vs Kerry.