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  • Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    The doctrine of Total Depravity is lazy and stupid. Augustine was overcompensating when he thunk it up and Calvin was playing out his personal neurosis when he wrote it down.

    Any faith based on it is morally and intellectually bankrupt. Jesus would have scoffed at it as just another con by just another grasping guild of Pharisees.
    true but that is what is taught so how can you believe the Doctrine that you will always be in sin yet promise not to be. Basically requires you to promise something that they have told you is impossible

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    • Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

      Originally posted by leswp1 View Post
      true but that is what is taught so how can you believe the Doctrine that you will always be in sin yet promise not to be. Basically requires you to promise something that they have told you is impossible
      I don't think the promise is to never sin. It's to will never to sin (and, of course, to mean it). I am only in control of my will, not everything that happens to me down to the biological / subconscious level. But of course the scope of "sin" is so ridiculous that it is impossible for a human being not to sin. It's either a deliberate mug's game -- God is a malicious prankster toying with us -- or else She just has no idea of what Man is. Unsurprising, considering the only one of us She has appeared as was perfect and thus a really lousy attempt to be a man.

      The religion is declaring any widget "faulty" that is not milled to perfection, but the tolerance of the milling machine is imperfect.

      The problem isn't Man. It's the ruler.
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        Just read the thing about Doctrine and the wheat/gluten. Interesting to read the reasoning but not being a Catholic and not having been raised one- My logic prof would have had a field day. Serious leap of [something] to insist the bread was wheat and needs to stay wheat. The fact that it excludes people from having the bread may satisfy the 'Church' but I can't see Jesus buying into it.

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          Joe, I'll certainly give you this. Your Church history is very good. Was it a multi-year class in the old days? We had one year of "Catholic Morality", in 11th grade, where we had to write an essay defending one Catholic moral position. Fr. Straz failed all but 3 of us on the first pass. And he still C-minused me because I argued against abortion from a non-religious position. Everyone else got dinged for not citing sources.

          12th was Church History. They randomly selected instructors by seat availability, which meant I had Dec. Kessler (Zee Gerrmann - with accent!) in the fall, and Mr. Rice (a grandfatherly old crank) in the winter.

          I liked Rice more.
          Last edited by FadeToBlack&Gold; 07-10-2017, 10:19 PM.

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          • Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

            Originally posted by leswp1 View Post
            Just read the thing about Doctrine and the wheat/gluten. Interesting to read the reasoning but not being a Catholic and not having been raised one- My logic prof would have had a field day. Serious leap of [something] to insist the bread was wheat and needs to stay wheat. The fact that it excludes people from having the bread may satisfy the 'Church' but I can't see Jesus buying into it.
            Revealed Truth trumps logic, anyway. That's always the out if the Church paints itself into a corner.
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            • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
              Joe, I'll certainly give you this. Your Church history is very good. Was it a multi-year class in the old days? We had one year of "Catholic Morality", in 11th grade, where we had to write an essay defending one Catholic moral position. Fr. Straz failed all but 3 of us on the first pass. And he still C-minused me because I argued against abortion from a non-religious position. Everyone else got dinged for not citing sources.

              12th was Church History. They randomly selected instructors by seat availability, which meant I had Dec. Kessler (Zee Gerrmann - with accent!) in the fall, and Mr. Rice (a grandfatherly old crank) in the winter.

              I liked Rice more.
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              • Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

                Must be a day ending in -y.

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                  Another thing that bothers me, especially since I came out:

                  Fundies LOVE to quote from Leviticus... "a man shall not lie with another man," etc as justification for their bigotry.

                  Yet, the Bible mentions shellfish as an abomination four times as much as homosexuality. What do Fundies respond? "Context matters"... as they load their cart with bacon and shrimp/
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                  • Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

                    Originally posted by ShirtlessBob View Post
                    Another thing that bothers me, especially since I came out:

                    Fundies LOVE to quote from Leviticus... "a man shall not lie with another man," etc as justification for their bigotry.

                    Yet, the Bible mentions shellfish as an abomination four times as much as homosexuality. What do Fundies respond? "Context matters"... as they load their cart with bacon and shrimp/
                    Well, you can let them rent space in your head or you can evict them and move on. They (fundamentalists) are predictable about this, have been called on the carpet about it for yrs from people (including multiple other Christian leaders) who aren't of that thought process and still cling to the opinion so they aren't worth it.

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                      Originally posted by leswp1 View Post
                      Well, you can let them rent space in your head or you can evict them and move on. They (fundamentalists) are predictable about this, have been called on the carpet about it for yrs from people (including multiple other Christian leaders) who aren't of that thought process and still cling to the opinion so they aren't worth it.
                      This is good advice but also hard to follow.
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                      • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        This is good advice but also hard to follow.
                        Especially when you're confronted with it all the time.
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                        • Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

                          Originally posted by ShirtlessBob View Post
                          Especially when you're confronted with it all the time.
                          If you just get gender counseling, Bob, you will probably reach a point where you have a normal, healthy sexuality, just like our President.

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                          • Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            This is good advice but also hard to follow.
                            true

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                              I love the guys that have that Leviticus passage tattooed on them.

                              Think about that.
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                                This is why I consider this board "chosen family." I swear, if I get married to a nice boy, people on this board will receive an invite while my actual family will not.
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