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  • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

    Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
    Why are they trying to fix extra innings? It's not like every game goes extra, and not every extra inning game is a 19 inning affair.

    I'd bet the average extra inning game is 11 innings.
    Nailed it. Since 1970, the average is 2 (range of 1.763 to 2.446). The average has actually been slightly decreasing since 1970, but since 2000ish, it's been increasing.

    370 2016 3.37 796.1 723 323 298 410 106 777 31 3493 1.423 3493 2980 132 11 76 56 18 .243 .339 .371 .710 1105 47 58 14 27 .302 94
    424 2015 3.64 870.2 848 385 352 419 110 808 32 3815 1.455 3815 3278 136 11 91 60 29 .259 .346 .390 .736 1279 63 63 22 35 .315 105
    464 2014 3.56 1029.0 945 439 407 465 142 976 47 4463 1.370 4463 3824 160 20 97 98 23 .247 .334 .376 .709 1436 77 96 29 36 .305 104
    486 2013 3.59 1076.1 984 459 429 518 154 943 40 4695 1.395 4695 3990 161 12 94 73 18 .247 .337 .364 .701 1451 73 123 21 37 .299 98
    384 2012 3.90 792.0 777 381 343 417 106 755 45 3568 1.508 3568 3012 134 16 71 74 23 .258 .355 .384 .739 1156 42 75 19 31 .320 106
    474 2011 3.78 926.2 887 445 389 499 153 776 38 4142 1.496 4142 3462 160 16 82 75 19 .256 .354 .383 .736 1325 63 113 29 42 .306 106
    440 2010 3.70 800.0 776 352 329 430 128 681 28 3565 1.508 3565 2997 113 13 76 64 24 .259 .355 .381 .736 1143 57 89 20 30 .310 104
    390 2009 4.21 789.2 751 395 369 439 120 682 29 3541 1.507 3541 2974 122 13 83 60 16 .253 .353 .386 .739 1148 50 85 14 39 .300 98
    416 2008 3.77 861.0 845 399 361 470 139 701 30 3854 1.527 3854 3254 138 17 93 64 21 .260 .356 .398 .755 1296 66 79 21 40 .303 103
    440 2007 3.90 854.2 855 404 370 431 129 698 40 3821 1.505 3821 3223 155 15 81 66 20 .265 .356 .398 .754 1283 64 96 31 35 .313 100
    370 2006 3.70 763.2 728 347 314 399 142 608 33 3399 1.476 3399 2866 126 9 75 65 17 .254 .350 .383 .733 1097 55 85 16 33 .297 92
    364 2005 4.11 684.2 682 337 313 333 109 536 26 3043 1.482 3043 2593 125 21 74 36 15 .263 .352 .413 .765 1071 48 82 9 31 .305 105
    436 2004 3.63 854.0 779 390 344 470 137 696 43 3790 1.463 3790 3127 114 13 98 72 19 .249 .352 .388 .740 1213 67 123 27 44 .289 96
    394 2003 3.90 810.0 774 389 351 416 117 643 27 3584 1.469 3584 3034 125 11 104 60 29 .255 .348 .406 .754 1233 62 86 21 43 .290 101
    401 2002 3.96 796.0 772 374 350 469 144 603 23 3575 1.559 3575 2969 133 12 77 59 24 .260 .363 .391 .754 1160 63 93 21 32 .301 103
    392 2001 4.15 737.2 735 368 340 391 119 628 43 3312 1.526 3312 2777 120 11 88 63 24 .265 .362 .411 .773 1141 55 80 21 37 .311 105
    404 2000 4.18 719.0 699 363 334 446 118 599 32 3287 1.592 3287 2695 106 11 78 65 20 .259 .369 .394 .763 1061 52 95 18 37 .305 97
    382 1999 4.01 677.1 598 345 302 405 104 588 32 3034 1.481 3034 2483 99 9 75 61 26 .241 .351 .379 .730 940 47 83 29 44 .283 89
    414 1998 3.91 843.0 838 410 366 456 135 694 28 3802 1.535 3802 3190 128 13 79 76 23 .263 .358 .385 .743 1229 55 104 23 44 .311 98
    392 1997 3.78 762.2 736 356 320 470 112 630 28 3439 1.581 3439 2832 107 9 66 67 40 .260 .368 .374 .742 1059 48 88 21 34 .311 98
    436 1996 3.92 861.1 827 417 375 564 155 709 27 3934 1.615 3934 3208 131 13 76 84 29 .258 .371 .378 .748 1212 65 108 27 40 .307 98

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    College Hockey 6       College Football 0
    BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
    Originally posted by SanTropez
    May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
    Originally posted by bigblue_dl
    I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
    Originally posted by Kepler
    When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
    He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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    • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

      360 1995 3.75 709.2 723 331 296 399 122 524 29 3219 1.581 3219 2671 123 9 65 63 28 .271 .369 .396 .766 1059 45 101 19 29 .313 104
      286 1994 4.37 533.0 551 288 259 295 85 382 21 2441 1.587 2441 2046 84 13 59 40 18 .269 .365 .410 .775 838 30 68 11 29 .304 104
      392 1993 3.51 787.1 749 358 307 441 155 568 22 3540 1.511 3540 2922 119 17 60 72 23 .256 .355 .370 .725 1082 60 123 32 62 .296 99
      420 1992 3.19 972.2 893 369 345 485 170 678 26 4225 1.417 4225 3553 126 16 58 87 44 .251 .343 .345 .688 1225 60 136 24 41 .294 98
      G Year ERA IP H R ER BB IBB SO HBP BF WHIP PA AB 2B 3B HR SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP SH SF ROE BAbip tOPS+
      440 1991 4.07 883.1 871 449 399 489 152 607 31 3990 1.540 3990 3321 133 14 84 95 31 .262 .360 .387 .747 1284 48 125 23 50 .297 112
      364 1990 3.69 709.0 699 328 291 375 138 496 21 3159 1.515 3159 2663 79 16 59 88 38 .262 .357 .371 .727 987 49 89 11 42 .302 106
      383 1989 2.95 857.2 780 325 281 410 161 659 16 3711 1.387 3711 3155 110 13 50 82 39 .247 .334 .338 .672 1066 50 100 28 46 .295 94
      394 1988 3.16 882.0 785 360 310 447 146 592 18 3831 1.397 3831 3218 105 17 64 84 36 .244 .337 .347 .684 1116 59 119 29 57 .278 98
      400 1987 4.16 705.0 737 358 326 391 131 522 16 3198 1.600 3198 2698 105 16 81 68 26 .273 .367 .414 .781 1117 53 82 11 38 .311 111
      440 1986 3.87 846.0 827 422 364 482 151 624 19 3810 1.547 3810 3176 127 22 80 101 35 .260 .359 .390 .749 1238 52 107 25 49 .299 109
      410 1985 3.69 828.2 820 385 340 444 161 508 23 3697 1.525 3697 3102 125 14 80 81 35 .264 .359 .391 .750 1213 64 111 17 51 .292 111
      406 1984 3.65 833.2 832 400 338 446 161 558 13 3748 1.533 3748 3155 125 16 62 90 30 .264 .355 .372 .727 1175 57 111 22 70 .301 106
      380 1983 3.38 835.2 823 352 314 441 161 484 15 3698 1.513 3698 3104 136 16 53 62 41 .265 .357 .370 .728 1150 66 116 21 42 .298 105
      424 1982 3.19 975.2 931 385 346 470 177 626 26 4273 1.436 4273 3603 126 18 71 89 38 .258 .345 .362 .708 1306 60 142 32 53 .293 100
      284 1981 3.12 637.2 616 249 221 322 120 334 11 2809 1.471 2809 2353 74 16 47 51 34 .262 .350 .367 .717 863 43 97 23 37 .285 109
      422 1980 3.04 1010.0 910 394 341 496 192 580 21 4376 1.392 4376 3689 121 22 69 86 39 .247 .337 .348 .685 1282 70 144 24 57 .274 93
      366 1979 3.30 774.2 779 333 284 390 145 498 16 3435 1.509 3435 2909 98 16 53 57 33 .268 .355 .367 .723 1068 58 100 19 41 .305 100
      384 1978 3.47 762.0 768 341 294 418 134 450 15 3421 1.556 3421 2842 102 13 51 70 37 .270 .364 .369 .733 1049 48 120 24 41 .303 110
      424 1977 3.52 910.1 884 403 356 462 165 592 18 4029 1.479 4029 3394 130 17 77 89 44 .260 .349 .377 .726 1279 50 125 29 55 .293 100
      404 1976 2.79 988.1 883 359 306 447 170 530 25 4263 1.346 4263 3622 122 15 49 80 37 .244 .328 .326 .655 1182 72 135 34 64 .271 93
      378 1975 3.21 847.0 809 353 302 433 149 479 17 3718 1.466 3718 3136 112 11 50 61 41 .258 .350 .349 .698 1093 57 119 13 50 .290 100
      382 1974 2.86 875.1 792 307 278 420 162 480 13 3783 1.385 3783 3196 116 13 46 43 22 .248 .335 .335 .671 1072 64 129 23 41 .277 94
      380 1970 3.80 815.1 794 392 344 461 162 515 24 3672 1.539 3672 3058 113 23 64 50 29 .260 .359 .374 .733 1145 52 107 22 55 .292 107
      Code:
      As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
      College Hockey 6       College Football 0
      BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
      Originally posted by SanTropez
      May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
      Originally posted by bigblue_dl
      I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
      Originally posted by Kepler
      When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
      He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

      Comment


      • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

        379 1969 3.68 842.0 825 392 344 481 160 501 21 3768 1.551 3768 3137 104 20 79 67 28 .263 .362 .384 .747 1206 58 106 23 44 .289 117
        246 1961 3.61 479.1 449 227 192 243 54 308 9 2118 1.444 2118 1792 52 15 58 16 10 .251 .342 .393 .735 705 28 67 7 35 .273 103
        280 1960 3.68 577.2 572 270 236 278 85 384 18 2573 1.471 2573 2199 73 17 52 17 18 .260 .347 .380 .726 835 40 68 10 36 .293 105
        Code:
        As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
        College Hockey 6       College Football 0
        BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
        Originally posted by SanTropez
        May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
        Originally posted by bigblue_dl
        I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
        Originally posted by Kepler
        When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
        He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

        Comment


        • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

          Other interesting trends:
          HRs have been steadily increasing. Almost .72/yr
          SOs have been rapidly increasing. 7.1/yr
          Hs are flat
          2Bs are increasing at about .7/yr
          tOPS+ is flat
          BABIP is steadily increasing.
          Code:
          As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
          College Hockey 6       College Football 0
          BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
          Originally posted by SanTropez
          May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
          Originally posted by bigblue_dl
          I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
          Originally posted by Kepler
          When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
          He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

          Comment


          • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

            Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
            Why are they trying to fix extra innings? It's not like every game goes extra, and not every extra inning game is a 19 inning affair.

            I'd bet the average extra inning game is 11 innings.
            Without MLB stating as much, it has to do with beer sales and concession stand operations in general at the stadiums. If the beer sales normally close after the 7th, and other concessions after the 8th, then when you hit extra innings you could see the casual fans becoming less entertained, and the drunks who're sobering up started towards that unruly state. Add to that, people have lives outside of the games and the crowds will start to leave the game earlier than the end of the game, either putting the kids to bed after a night game or whatever other plans following a day game.

            Baseball in general has an issue with younger generations losing interest in their game. Attention spans have shortened, and baseball was built in an era where people could watch a long game without issue, entertaining themselves and reveling in the minutia of the moment. Baseball has issues, and MLB is trying to adjust to those issues.
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            • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
              Without MLB stating as much, it has to do with beer sales and concession stand operations in general at the stadiums. If the beer sales normally close after the 7th, and other concessions after the 8th, then when you hit extra innings you could see the casual fans becoming less entertained, and the drunks who're sobering up started towards that unruly state. Add to that, people have lives outside of the games and the crowds will start to leave the game earlier than the end of the game, either putting the kids to bed after a night game or whatever other plans following a day game.

              Baseball in general has an issue with younger generations losing interest in their game. Attention spans have shortened, and baseball was built in an era where people could watch a long game without issue, entertaining themselves and reveling in the minutia of the moment. Baseball has issues, and MLB is trying to adjust to those issues.
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              • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

                Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                Other interesting trends:
                SOs have been rapidly increasing. 7.1/yr
                That better be .71/yr.
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                • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

                  Originally posted by jen View Post
                  Limit catchers' visits to the mound instead.
                  Pitcher must face at least 2 batters. Eliminates LOOGYs and just generally makes the world a happier place. No more 4 pitching changes in a half inning.

                  If you want to make it fun pitcher must be in the game for at least 2 batters. Bring back Jesse Orosco in RF. I'd trade the time to switch players to have a 2-pitcher switch-off.

                  But you don't get warm ups pitches when you come in the second time.
                  Last edited by Kepler; 02-09-2017, 10:01 AM.
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                  • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    That better be .71/yr.
                    I'm probably having a 'woosh' moment, but...

                    It's really 7.1/yr. ~500 in the 1970s to 800-1,000 in the late 2010s.
                    Code:
                    As of 9/21/10:         As of 9/13/10:
                    College Hockey 6       College Football 0
                    BTHC 4                 WCHA FC:  1
                    Originally posted by SanTropez
                    May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                    Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                    I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                    Originally posted by Kepler
                    When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                    He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

                    Comment


                    • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

                      Seems to me that putting a runner on second makes it almost too easy. Does someone have stats as to the probability of scoring a run with no outs, runner on second? I don’t remember, but is seems like it was pretty high, especially if a team is only playing for one run.

                      What I think would be hilarious is if they get a bunch of “unintended consequences” games that go fifteen innings because there are a succession of one run innings that go (1)runner advances to third on a bunt, sacrifice fly, or ground ball to the right side (2) runner scores on pretty much anything other than ground ball directly at a drawn-in infielder, pop fly to an infielder, or strikeout.

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                      • Re: 2016 MLB Season - Curses, foiled again?

                        The Marlins may have just been sold.
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