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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
    I would like to cut a lot of police budgets significantly.
    Better: repurpose it to genuinely "serve and protect" people. Have specialist police units you can call when your landlord or employer abuses you, when a store follows you around, when a bunch of knuckledraggers gets in your face about a mask.

    Stop the police from being rightwing death squads and start using them to protect human beings against bullies, authoritarians, racists, and... well, against the people who are currently police.

    Keep the budget and the powers. Just seize them. Give the red hats a little taste of The Overseer.

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  • Handyman
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    I would like to cut a lot of police budgets significantly. They take up way too much of the overall budget and the return on investment stinks. I don't want it cut to zero, but there is about 25-40% of the money that goes to them that would be better off going elsewhere.

    You throw that kind of money at other factors and you will see the cops job get easier. Cops are not the right actors to follow up on a lot of the situations that arise. They also are not properly trained to deal with some they are the right actors to deal with a situation.

    Put the 25-40% into funding mental health infrastructure, des-escalation training, de-militarization and better public health initiatives for drug and alcohol abuse and you will see a much better return on investment top to bottom. Also, cops jobs will be easier since they wont be required to deal with things they aren't trained and equipped to deal with. Make their jobs better, they might fucking treat people better.

    As for Minneapolis, I have no idea how that will go. I know the sentiment in certain parts is they want things changed but it comes down to whether they choose to vote or not. I live in the burbs so I dont count ;^)

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  • Swansong
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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

    I think this is what most of us are saying. We don't want to "defund" in the sense that Fox News uses the word. I, for one, don't think parking enforcement needs a bearcat or even a weapon to be honest. I don't think that cops armed with slightly less lethal means and zero training in mental health crisis resolution are the best people to take point on calls for mental health. I don't think we need cops to lead high speed chases through neighborhoods. I don't think we need cops to resolve noise complaints. I don't think we need cops to do a lot of what we ask cops to do. So I would prefer those funds get allocated to departments with the expertise to handle them.
    I think the issue comes from last summer, when (righteous) anger led people to declare that they did, in fact, want to defund the police. Some still do. https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-...-defund-police

    (there are a bunch of links in there for further reading. some are nonsense but I think this article is as good as any to show evidence to my point)


    No serious politician is advocating a disinvestment in policing, in fact Biden specifically said he does not support it. But since when do facts matter?

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  • Kepler
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    I also think "Defund" was a very poor choice of messaging.

    What we really need to do is civilize the police, and that means a big shift in who we give coercive power to. It's like the old joke:



    No more ahem "German" police.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post

    defund: prevent from continuing to receive funds

    The problem is in the naming of the movement. Yes, cops need reorg and restructure. (Why does Fargo need an armored personnel carrier?) But "defund" sends the wrong message and is easily attacked. No, I don't have a better word; I'm not a marketing/PR guy.
    I think this is what most of us are saying. We don't want to "defund" in the sense that Fox News uses the word. I, for one, don't think parking enforcement needs a bearcat or even a weapon to be honest. I don't think that cops armed with slightly less lethal means and zero training in mental health crisis resolution are the best people to take point on calls for mental health. I don't think we need cops to lead high speed chases through neighborhoods. I don't think we need cops to resolve noise complaints. I don't think we need cops to do a lot of what we ask cops to do. So I would prefer those funds get allocated to departments with the expertise to handle them.

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  • Swansong
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    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post

    Horsesh*t. Fight back and don't allow the FOP smear campaign.
    I ask this in a light hearted way, so please don't think I'm being a dick here.


    Are you new to politics?

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  • The Sicatoka
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    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post

    "Reform the Police" should work just fine for every sentient human (so, not fascists but fuck them).
    That works.

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  • FadeToBlack&Gold
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    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post

    defund: prevent from continuing to receive funds

    The problem is in the naming of the movement. Yes, cops need reorg and restructure. (Why does Fargo need an armored personnel carrier?) But "defund" sends the wrong message and is easily attacked. No, I don't have a better word; I'm not a marketing/PR guy.
    "Reform the Police" should work just fine for every sentient human (so, not fascists but fuck them).

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  • FadeToBlack&Gold
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    Originally posted by Swansong View Post
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    Unfortunately, that cake is baked. The "Defund the police" signs will be attached to any attempt to change policing for the foreseeable future, sadly.
    Horsesh*t. Fight back and don't allow the FOP smear campaign.

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  • The Sicatoka
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    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

    I think you're right. Every time there's a shooting in the community, there's a question about defunding police which is inevitably framed as eliminating cops altogether.
    defund: prevent from continuing to receive funds

    The problem is in the naming of the movement. Yes, cops need reorg and restructure. (Why does Fargo need an armored personnel carrier?) But "defund" sends the wrong message and is easily attacked. No, I don't have a better word; I'm not a marketing/PR guy.

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  • The Sicatoka
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    Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post

    I'm only half surprised that place doesn't sell them already...they have damn near everything else.
    "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms" sounds like a southern convenience store name.

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  • dxmnkd316
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    Originally posted by Swansong View Post
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    Unfortunately, that cake is baked. The "Defund the police" signs will be attached to any attempt to change policing for the foreseeable future, sadly.
    I think you're right. Every time there's a shooting in the community, there's a question about defunding police which is inevitably framed as eliminating cops altogether.

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  • SJHovey
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    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    So the ballot question isn’t “defund the police and have nothing” but i think you know that.

    maybe there shouldn’t be so many fucking guns everywhere
    I don't think anyone believes that "have nothing" is one of the alternatives. However, (and this is just my opinion) the vast majority of voters are going to go to the polls with this simple question in their minds: Do I think we should have more cops or fewer cops on the streets?

    Right or wrong, that's the question most voters will have in mind, and as I stated in my original post, I wonder the extent to which the recent violence in St. Paul and Minneapolis will affect that vote.

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  • Swansong
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    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    So the ballot question isn’t “defund the police and have nothing” but i think you know that.

    maybe there shouldn’t be so many fucking guns everywhere
    Unfortunately, that cake is baked. The "Defund the police" signs will be attached to any attempt to change policing for the foreseeable future, sadly.

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  • FadeToBlack&Gold
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    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    So the ballot question isn’t “defund the police and have nothing” but i think you know that.
    Copsuckers will always lick the boot and balls.

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