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Originally posted by psych View Post
What message board do you think you’re on? If it were up to me, and basically anyone on this board EXCEPT you, Sic, and maybe a couple others, we’d ban/restrict pretty much everything. I’d make it so hard to own a gun that we’d look like Japan. But then you’d come here and tell us that doing that isn’t politically feasible, because only you know that.
OF COURSE those things (background checks, waiting periods, etc.) don’t stop everything, or even make much of a dent. Better than not doing anything. As for “figuring out the point in men’s lives where they lose their ****ing sh-t”, good luck with that. Having worked in the mental health field for almost two decades, might as well be chasing a unicorn. We barely fund mental health as it is.
I disagree with you. Doing "something" which will have virtually zero impact is not better than doing nothing. The reason for that is that the minute you "accomplish" this worthless "something" that you want to do, you'll all stand around patting yourselves on the back over a job well done in addressing the mass shooting crisis in the country, then move on to some other plan to do "something" about another problem, while in the meantime you've actually accomplished nothing other than creating a misleading impression that you've done something.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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Originally posted by MichVandal View Post
Again, has there EVER been a shooting of a farmer because of a meth lab who got lost? Find an example of that, ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=meth...4dUDCA4&uact=5
Here's a sample: " ... girl in Cruthersville, Indiana, who'd inadvertently found a neighbor's meth lab and was subsequently beaten to death."
The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.
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Originally posted by psych View Post
Keep protecting yourself from all of those meth heads you meet. 80% of the patients I work with on the substance abuse units are addicted to meth. None of them have threatened me, and plenty of them come in ****ed up on meth. Anecdotal story, sure, but so is yours.The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.
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Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
Pick your favorite news source:
https://www.google.com/search?q=meth...4dUDCA4&uact=5
Here's a sample: " ... girl in Cruthersville, Indiana, who'd inadvertently found a neighbor's meth lab and was subsequently beaten to death."
BTW, the impact on rural America of Meth is well documented. The accidental deaths of people who found a lab is what I'm asking for- that's why the lazy sheriff told you to carry a gun. Also, that "search" is reporting the same book, many times.
Meth is a bad thing, sure. It should be reminded that gun restrictions will keep them from getting guns, too. That should be obvious, but apparently isn't.Last edited by MichVandal; 05-27-2021, 01:46 PM.
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Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
An AR-15 is not an automatic weapon. (It takes advanced Federal permitting to own an automatic weapon in the US.)
But feel free to actually justify hunting with a semi-auto. I've posted reasons why guns like the AR are unique, and you have not posted reasons why they are needed for hunting reasons.
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Originally posted by psych View Post... it should be harder to obtain and keep a gun than to vote.
And my ID (my ND CC permit) had my NICS number on it from the permitting process.
That (active permit/NICS) should have been good enough, but the vendor called anyway and reverified me with NICS.
The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.
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Originally posted by psych View Post
Keep protecting yourself from all of those meth heads you meet. 80% of the patients I work with on the substance abuse units are addicted to meth. None of them have threatened me, and plenty of them come in ****ed up on meth. Anecdotal story, sure, but so is yours.
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Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
I had to show ID to purchase a firearm.
And my ID (my ND CC permit) had my NICS number on it from the permitting process.
That (active permit/NICS) should have been good enough, but the vendor called anyway and reverified me with NICS.
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Originally posted by MichVandal View PostIs your name registered on the state level? Do you have to make sure that you keep up on that registration?
All the information is with ND BCI and they maintain a 24 hour hotline for (national) law enforcement to immediately verify my permit status.
If I change address, or have certain other status changes (e.g. name change, etc), I must inform BCI and if I don't I'll lose my permit and face other charges.
Learn more here: https://attorneygeneral.nd.gov/publi...apons-licenses
Having posited that, Mich, I pose a challenge to you:
Go to a local outfitter and purchase a firearm. (I'm not saying you have to complete the purchase, but go to the point of swiping the credit card.) Fill out the forms, wait for the NICS background to clear, live the system.Last edited by The Sicatoka; 05-27-2021, 02:09 PM.The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.
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Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
See this is why the gun control debate, even here in it's 77th iteration on this board, is still fun. I tell you that background checks aren't going to solve the mass shooting problem, because they clearly won't. You (or others) then accuse me of bad faith arguments, claiming (falsely) that I'm insisting on some sort of total and complete elimination of mass shootings, and then argue the old "something is better than nothing" trope.
I disagree with you. Doing "something" which will have virtually zero impact is not better than doing nothing. The reason for that is that the minute you "accomplish" this worthless "something" that you want to do, you'll all stand around patting yourselves on the back over a job well done in addressing the mass shooting crisis in the country, then move on to some other plan to do "something" about another problem, while in the meantime you've actually accomplished nothing other than creating a misleading impression that you've done something.
As for your proposed solution, it’s trash. It’s garbage. It sucks. I don’t doubt you sincerely believe that if we could just solve white men’s mid-life crises, the gun problem would be fixed, or at least ameliorated. You’re not arguing in bad faith. But, I have to ask, why are white men in other countries like Britain and France not killing people at the rate we kill people, or killing themselves? You think American men are unique in their genetic propensity to kill others, or is it more likely that they have easier access to guns and when they do “snap”, either on themselves or others, there’s the gun? Get out of here. This crap you spewed is worse than your telling us only YOU knew about Biden only passing stuff through budget reconciliation a few months ago.
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Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
I had to show ID to purchase a firearm.
And my ID (my ND CC permit) had my NICS number on it from the permitting process.
That (active permit/NICS) should have been good enough, but the vendor called anyway and reverified me with NICS.
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Originally posted by psych View PostOne more thing: suicides make up the vast majority of gun deaths. You know this. I know this. Yes, no doubt some of those people may find another way to kill themselves, but firearms are obviously by FAR the easiest way. There’s a reason we ask/check for firearms during the patient’s safety crisis discharge plan, and then work to secure those firearms with the patient’s guardian before the patient goes home or their next placement. We could cut out all the mass shootings, and we’d still be killing way more people with guns than anywhere else in the world. Does that not signal it’s not necessarily a people problem?Originally posted by BobbyBrady
Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year
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Originally posted by psych View Post
You realize if I had my way, we’d basically turn into Japan when it comes to guns, right? Taking 95% of guns out of circulation and making it next to impossible to obtain one after that was achieved would solve the unique issue we’re having in this country. I’m well aware that isn’t politically feasible, but it’s not because of people like me. It’s because of people like you. Look in the mirror when it comes to intellectual dishonesty. You’re stopping this problem from being solved in ways that would help, not me. I’m proposing background checks and everything else because YOU go along with it. Pat myself on the back, lol. You’re the problem here. You and Sic. We’re talking political feasibly stuff that does next to nothing because YOU don’t want to ban guns or take them off the street. YOU’RE blocking the solution. NOT me. Again, look in the mirror when you throw that crap around.
As for your proposed solution, it’s trash. It’s garbage. It sucks. I don’t doubt you sincerely believe that if we could just solve white men’s mid-life crises, the gun problem would be fixed, or at least ameliorated. You’re not arguing in bad faith. But, I have to ask, why are white men in other countries like Britain and France not killing people at the rate we kill people, or killing themselves? You think American men are unique in their genetic propensity to kill others, or is it more likely that they have easier access to guns and when they do “snap”, either on themselves or others, there’s the gun? Get out of here. This crap you spewed is worse than your telling us only YOU knew about Biden only passing stuff through budget reconciliation a few months ago.
But it isn't going to happen. Me saying that it isn't going to happen is not a statement that I oppose it. It's a statement of fact. It isn't going to happen. The political will to enact such a ban, and to further eliminate the 2nd Amendment in order to do so, simply doesn't exist in sufficient numbers in this country.
You want to blame me for that, go ahead. But all that does is demonstrate your ignorance of the subject.That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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