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  • #151
    Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
    Yeah, something isn't right here. I don't care what this new lawyer says, his two trial lawyers were not complete idiots. It's not like they would fail to recognize the significance of evidence placing her twelve miles away from Avery's home. We're not being told something here.
    It'd be interesting to see how close that info puts the phone to the quarry where the original defense claimed she was burned...
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    • #152
      Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

      Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
      It'd be interesting to see how close that info puts the phone to the quarry where the original defense claimed she was burned...
      It would be interesting to see how the location matches the testified movements of the uncle and cousin that were each others alibi.
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      • #153
        Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

        Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
        It would be interesting to see how the location matches the testified movements of the uncle and cousin that were each others alibi.
        I have a feeling we'll be finding out, Zellner doesn't strike me as someone who is seeking publicity or wasting her time on this unless she really believes there is something there to prove.

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        • #154
          Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

          Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
          Yeah, something isn't right here. I don't care what this new lawyer says, his two trial lawyers were not complete idiots. It's not like they would fail to recognize the significance of evidence placing her twelve miles away from Avery's home. We're not being told something here.
          To be fair, they may have seen the evidence but not been able to use it to prove anything. It isnt like the judge was very open to them putting forth alternative theories
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          • #155
            Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

            Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
            I have a feeling we'll be finding out, Zellner doesn't strike me as someone who is seeking publicity or wasting her time on this unless she really believes there is something there to prove.
            Agreed. Her spokesperson said this case will be over in months...there really must be something to those phone calls and the perp behind them. I'd like to think it involves the ex-boyfriend as well. Deleting messages on a phone that was evidence in the case is at best tampering, at worst? Who knows? Any defense attorneys in this thread?

            EDIT: the more I read about Kathleen Zellner the more of a bulldog she seems to be. Think Guiliani's prosecution of the mob as a reference point, only she seems sharper than he was. I wouldn't want to be Petersen, Lenk, or Fassbender right about now given that she seems to have them squarely in her sites...not to mention the sex perp...I mean how could that have been something the police would have ignored? I read somewhere that she intimated she's got information on the perpetrator and she's withholding evidence from the press to hopefully keep him from fleeing...could be smoke but for now I'm all in with her case
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            • #156
              Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

              Big news today...

              http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2...rder/88632502/

              Brendan Dassey's conviction has been thrown out by a federal judge.
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              • #157
                Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

                Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
                Big news today...

                http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2...rder/88632502/

                Brendan Dassey's conviction has been thrown out by a federal judge.
                Good...leaving Avery out of it everything about his trial was a joke and a full on miscarriage of justice.
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                • #158
                  Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

                  That guy should not go back to that county.
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                  • #159
                    Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

                    Great news.
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                    • #160
                      Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      Good...leaving Avery out of it everything about his trial was a joke and a full on miscarriage of justice.
                      Whether you believe Avery did it or not, the fact that they convicted both of them for murder under two completely different circumstances of killing was astonishing and disgusting and mind boggling and a whole bunch of other adjectives.
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                      • #161
                        Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

                        [QUOTE=Spartanforlife4;6349922]Whether you believe Avery did it or not, the fact that they convicted both of them for murder under two completely different circumstances of killing was astonishing and disgusting and mind boggling and a whole bunch of other adjectives.[/QUOTE]

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                        • #162
                          Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

                          So Kathleen Zellner requested all the evidence be retested using the current techniques and other items not previously tested are on the list, she wants this done prior to submitting most of what she's found?

                          She wants fingerprints from Lenk and Colburn to see if they match unidentified prints I the RAV4 and other areas.

                          She's now hinting the ex-boyfriend Hillegas and a new suspect who'd lied to police about his name are who she has in her sites.

                          Also, the RAV4 was in the possession of the sheriff's 2 days prior to having been "found" on the Avery property. This fact alone should shake the foundation of the case. What can manitowoc say about that? Avery stole it and put it on his lot? Hillegas and friend stole it to frame Avery?

                          Local talk radio host dan o'donnell has been carpet bombing the federal judge in dassey's case and has been announcing ad infinitum Avery is "guilty as sin". In the face of what appears to be real and mounting evidence of a frame-up I wonder why he's so adamant "there's nothing to see here"
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                          • #163
                            Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

                            Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
                            So Kathleen Zellner requested all the evidence be retested using the current techniques and other items not previously tested are on the list, she wants this done prior to submitting most of what she's found?

                            She wants fingerprints from Lenk and Colburn to see if they match unidentified prints I the RAV4 and other areas.

                            She's now hinting the ex-boyfriend Hillegas and a new suspect who'd lied to police about his name are who she has in her sites.

                            Also, the RAV4 was in the possession of the sheriff's 2 days prior to having been "found" on the Avery property. This fact alone should shake the foundation of the case. What can manitowoc say about that? Avery stole it and put it on his lot? Hillegas and friend stole it to frame Avery?

                            Local talk radio host dan o'donnell has been carpet bombing the federal judge in dassey's case and has been announcing ad infinitum Avery is "guilty as sin". In the face of what appears to be real and mounting evidence of a frame-up I wonder why he's so adamant "there's nothing to see here"
                            The locals don't want to believe that their Sheriffs office and local judicial system is crooked as ****.
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                            • #164
                              Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
                              The locals don't want to believe that their Sheriffs office and local judicial system is crooked as ****.
                              That seems likely...

                              From Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:
                              Zellner vows extensive tests in Avery case
                              Attorney appeared Friday amid a crush of media at the Manitowoc County Courthouse.

                              http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/steven-avery/2016/08/26/avery-seeks-new-testing-evidence/89262098/
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                              "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

                              "I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2

                              Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!

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                              • #165
                                Re: Making a Murderer (spoilers expected) did Steven Avery do it?

                                Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
                                So Kathleen Zellner requested all the evidence be retested using the current techniques and other items not previously tested are on the list, she wants this done prior to submitting most of what she's found?

                                She wants fingerprints from Lenk and Colburn to see if they match unidentified prints I the RAV4 and other areas.

                                She's now hinting the ex-boyfriend Hillegas and a new suspect who'd lied to police about his name are who she has in her sites.

                                Also, the RAV4 was in the possession of the sheriff's 2 days prior to having been "found" on the Avery property. This fact alone should shake the foundation of the case. What can manitowoc say about that? Avery stole it and put it on his lot? Hillegas and friend stole it to frame Avery?

                                Local talk radio host dan o'donnell has been carpet bombing the federal judge in dassey's case and has been announcing ad infinitum Avery is "guilty as sin". In the face of what appears to be real and mounting evidence of a frame-up I wonder why he's so adamant "there's nothing to see here"
                                How did the first lawyers not get any of this? Weren't they supposed to be top of the game and didn't Avery pay them into the millions?

                                Edit: Nevermind, forgot he settled for under a million. Thought he got a greater fraction of his possible 36 million.
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