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  • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

    Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
    Almost certainly.

    In other news: Hey, it's no dumber than acid wash.
    Beats the @#* out of this.
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    • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

      Speaking of fashion, the usual suspects have their panties in a twist again.
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      • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        A lot of advertising companies are doing this for the sole purpose of race-baiting, gender-baiting, and/or being controversial. Regardless of what your personal views are on these topics, the fact that they are intentionally trying to race-bait is, in fact, racism. Or if it was a homosexual couple with adopted children, discrimination of orientation (was there a defined -ism yet?). OK, so there's a family. Big deal. I see two parents and some kids. Is there any reason to shove race-baiting and gender-baiting down people's throats? What the advertising company has done is taken their focus off the product they are trying to sell, and instead putting the focus on the -ism of the day. If I were a higher-up of the company, I'd much rather see 100 new people walk through my doors with purchased product than see 10,000 people yapping about my brand and not actually going to see the products we offer.

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        • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          OK, so there's a family. Big deal. I see two parents and some kids. Is there any reason to shove race-baiting and gender-baiting down people's throats?
          Let's say I hate the Irish. If you run an ad with an Irish model, are you baiting me?

          The thing I don't get about these latter day haters and their various "religious freedom" fig leaves is they expect the rest of the world to bend over backwards for their bigotries.

          Why should we? Their hatred is their problem, not ours.
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          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Let's say I hate the Irish. If you run an ad with an Irish model, are you baiting me?

            The thing I don't get about these latter day haters and their various "religious freedom" fig leaves is they expect the rest of the world to bend over backwards for their bigotries.

            Why should we? Their hatred is their problem, not ours.
            Should we bend over for yours? Heck if you saw a Southerner, you'd be clamoring for ethnic cleansing.
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            • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              Should we bend over for yours? Heck if you saw a Southerner, you'd be clamoring for ethnic cleansing.
              I guarantee you I see more southerners in a day than you do in a week.

              If you want to morally equate showing a mixed race family with the cry NOT to show one because of bigotry, well, you just do that.

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              • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                Let's say I hate the Irish. If you run an ad with an Irish model, are you baiting me?

                The thing I don't get about these latter day haters and their various "religious freedom" fig leaves is they expect the rest of the world to bend over backwards for their bigotries.

                Why should we? Their hatred is their problem, not ours.
                Michael Bay was closer to the mark with Pearl Harbor than you were with this drivel. However, to clarify, I was once part of a study group that showed these sorts of commercials and then asked me about the "controversial subjects". This insight, which you may or may not have been aware of, led me to believe that they are focusing less on the product they're trying to sell and more on being racist, sexist, and discriminatory in other means.

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                • Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                  A lot of advertising companies are doing this for the sole purpose of race-baiting, gender-baiting, and/or being controversial.
                  Or maybe, just maybe, they're doing it on purpose to signal to the vast majority of Americans who have moved past 1964 that the company has, too. Why would they care a whit about the 10,000 wailing in the street when 100 million are quietly thinking, "Good. Wonder what took them so long?"
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                  • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

                    Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                    Or maybe, just maybe, they're doing it on purpose to signal to the vast majority of Americans who have moved past 1964 that the company has, too. Why would they care a whit about the 10,000 wailing in the street when 100 million are quietly thinking, "Good. Wonder what took them so long?"
                    Regardless of what their intentions are, it's putting less focus on what they're selling. I'll give you that getting a company's name out there in a not-so-good light is better than not getting it out there at all because people (at least we would hope) have the ability to formulate their own opinions, but I'd rather know about what that company wants to sell me. Given it's Old Navy, talk to me about the clothes you're offering.

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                    • Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                      Regardless of what their intentions are, it's putting less focus on what they're selling. I'll give you that getting a company's name out there in a not-so-good light is better than not getting it out there at all because people (at least we would hope) have the ability to formulate their own opinions, but I'd rather know about what that company wants to sell me. Given it's Old Navy, talk to me about the clothes you're offering.
                      You have clearly never taken a marketing class. What, pray tell, did he "1984" commercial have to do with personal computers?

                      Come to think of it, maybe it's even better...what if they counted on 10,000 bigots losing their shibby, and if each of them yells about Gap to 10 of their friends, and 3 of those rant to 10 more each, and 3 of those potificate to 10 more... Pretty soon the whole country, including the 7 of 10 who don't care either way, have heard about Gap. Congrats on being a pawn in their scheme - first time I have thought about Gap in months, thanks to you. Going to go buy me some cargo shorts now....
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                      • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

                        Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                        Regardless of what their intentions are, it's putting less focus on what they're selling. I'll give you that getting a company's name out there in a not-so-good light is better than not getting it out there at all because people (at least we would hope) have the ability to formulate their own opinions, but I'd rather know about what that company wants to sell me. Given it's Old Navy, talk to me about the clothes you're offering.
                        Marketing has nothing to do with a product and everything to do with creating an image. In an advanced consumer society all products are essentially the same: it's a pair of jeans, it's a razor, it's a burger, it's a pill, it's a car. It's all the same crap. So how do you "cut through the cutter" and get attention and get people to buy your garbage rather than the other guy's garbage? By promising "use our product and you'll get laid" (to men) or "use our product and you'll be desired" (to women). C'est tout, à bientôt, Fin.

                        To most people that family portrayal says "come as you are." A billion dollar company in a hundred billion dollar industry is faking being welcoming, and it works. And if you also create controversy and get people talking, so much the better. The few people who get directly offended or, like you, concern offended about it just spread the message. Congratulations, you just did unpaid labor for their ad campaign.

                        Edit: LOL, it appears I practically repeated LynahFan's post.
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                        • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

                          Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                          You have clearly never taken a marketing class. What, pray tell, did he "1984" commercial have to do with personal computers?

                          Come to think of it, maybe it's even better...what if they counted on 10,000 bigots losing their shibby, and if each of them yells about Gap to 10 of their friends, and 3 of those rant to 10 more each, and 3 of those potificate to 10 more... Pretty soon the whole country, including the 7 of 10 who don't care either way, have heard about Gap. Congrats on being a pawn in their scheme - first time I have thought about Gap in months, thanks to you. Going to go buy me some cargo shorts now....
                          Obviously I have a different standard of morals than marketers, who obviously have none.

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                          • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

                            Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                            Obviously I have a different standard of morals than marketers, who obviously have none.
                            Yes, and...

                            Advertising and marketing are just lying and brain-washing turned to lucrative ends. The only "morality" there is in consumerism is when you can fake a moral trope to increase sales.

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                            • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

                              Interracial families are immoral? Wow...
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                              • Re: Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

                                Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                                Interracial families are immoral? Wow...
                                Everything old is new again.

                                Bilbo wrote that “[p]urity of race is a gift of God . . . . And God, in his infinite wisdom, has so ordained it that when man destroys his racial purity, it can never be redeemed.” Allowing “the blood of the races [to] mix,” according to Bilbo, was a direct attack on the “Divine plan of God.” There “is every reason to believe that miscengenation and amalgamation are sins of man in direct defiance to the will of God.”
                                Just some good ol' "religious liberty."
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