NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

[Gurtholfin]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Indeed they are. People complain about everything.

Some people apparently wrote letters and that applies to everyone who doesn't like his celly?

[Gurtholfin]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Are there some racist fans out there who don't like him and are hyper-sensitive to his actions because he's black? Without a doubt.

Are there a whole lot more people out there who don't appreciate staged and excessive/obnoxious celebrations? Without a doubt.


And, lest anyone think it's only whitey who doesn't appreciate his celly, I have seen twice this season when an opponent confronts him in the end zone about it and both times... that opponent was... you guessed it... black.


Point is, it's not just because he's black. A significant portion of sports fans find celebrations of that sort obnoxious. And they get to have that view. It's a valid view that can be supported.

I'm sure there's people out there who hate the discount double check (I just find it stupid and cheesy) or when Kaner does the heart breaker and my guess is that's mostly white on white sports hate.


To be fair though, those aren't 15 second look-at-me dance routines. They're more in the moment, even if they were thought out ahead of time.



Blanket stating with the race card is simply not accurate in this case.

I don't like his celly. Of course I'm not gonna write a letter about it or root against him because of it, but I get to not like it and say so in public.

[JF_Gophers]

Some people apparently wrote letters and that applies to everyone who doesn't like his celly?

yes, duh.

[Spartanforlife4]

So everyone who doesn't like his celebration feels that way because he's black. Because a black quarterback "scares us?"

Child... PLEASE!




And that's actually a thing? I have ZERO problem with any player giving a fan a football although that will turn into a **** show real soon with parents trying to help THEIR kid get the ball. Surprised it hasn't already - human nature being what it is. Guaranteed a kid or 2 parents wrasselin' fall out of the stands at some point.

To plagiarize Dan Patrick via three minutes ago: where are all the complaints when JJ Watt celebrates? No mother is writing JJ when he dances after a sack that he's doing a disservice to her daughter in the stands by showboating.

[JF_Gophers]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Unfortunately as a white person my view on racism is clouded by my privilege. As I've never endured racism, I don't get to decide what the standard is.

So I'll never discount race in any of these debates.

[Gurtholfin]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

To plagiarize Dan Patrick via three minutes ago: where are all the complaints when JJ Watt celebrates? No mother is writing JJ when he dances after a sack that he's doing a disservice to her daughter in the stands by showboating.

One mother wrote a letter to the editor and that's somehow significant?


JJ Watt's celebration is in the moment. Cris Carter's back in the day was in the moment. Deion's high step was in the moment.


Cam waits for everyone to clear out and then commences with a staged routine.

If you don't see the difference, then why not allow the sharpie to be stashed in the goalpost so a receiver can sign the ball?

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

One mother wrote a letter to the editor and that's somehow significant?


JJ Watt's celebration is in the moment. Cris Carter's back in the day was in the moment. Deion's high step was in the moment.


Cam waits for everyone to clear out and then commences with a staged routine.

If you don't see the difference, then why not allow the sharpie to be stashed in the goalpost so a receiver can sign the ball?

I think the point is that there is all this hate for Cam Newton for having a child out of wedlock, celebrating, and what not and it most certainly does revolve around race. Aaron Rodgers does get hate mail for discount double check. No one writes letters to the boston globe because Tom Brady had a kid that wasn't Gisele's. Giving a football to a kid being a problem is just laughable, and yet people are upset.

[SonofSouthie]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Old school as I am, or just old, I can't see how giving a football to a kid is ****ing anyone off. Scoring a touchdown and doing the Merry Widow Waltz when you're still down by 30 ticks me a little bit. As Jim Brown once said, "act like you've been there before".

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Old school as I am, or just old, I can't see how giving a football to a kid is ****ing anyone off. Scoring a touchdown and doing the Merry Widow Waltz when you're still down by 30 ticks me a little bit. As Jim Brown once said, "act like you've been there before".

I think that and sack dances when trailing by a ton are what bother me...its one thing to celebrate a play that actually means something, like a sack to end a drive in a close game or touchtown that ties, gives you the lead or is the "dagger." But celebrating a play just because you did something positive for no respect for what it really means when it means nothing in the grand scheme is stupid.

[JF_Gophers]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Think of all the poor non-white children in the 2nd deck who aren't getting footballs!

[jerphisch]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Football needs the equivalent of a fastball to the back, that would limit celebrations to when they're appropriate.

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Football needs the equivalent of a fastball to the back, that would limit celebrations to when they're appropriate.

nah, it annoys people, but I think I'd rather have too much than too little. Baseball needs more. Pitchers get to celebrate a strikeout with a fist pump but a hitter can enjoy his home run or flip a bat a little bit?

[joecct]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

Football needs the equivalent of a fastball to the back, that would limit celebrations to when they're appropriate.

They outlawed the clothesline hit years ago.

[jerphisch]

Re: NFL 2015.1 - if the ball weighs as much as a duck, it's a catch!

nah, it annoys people, but I think I'd rather have too much than too little. Baseball needs more. Pitchers get to celebrate a strikeout with a fist pump but a hitter can enjoy his home run or flip a bat a little bit?

Not saying there should be little to none, just less.

[walrus]

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So everyone who doesn't like his celebration feels that way because he's black. Because a black quarterback "scares us?"

Child... PLEASE!




And that's actually a thing? I have ZERO problem with any player giving a fan a football although that will turn into a **** show real soon with parents trying to help THEIR kid get the ball. Surprised it hasn't already - human nature being what it is. Guaranteed a kid or 2 parents wrasselin' fall out of the stands at some point.

This is the 4th super bowl in a row with a black QB according to some talking head on ESPN radio, russell Wilson and not sure who else. I don't think its race but I do think its a different generation type of thing. I don't care what he does, he is good so go for it. If you are on other team and don't like it, stop him from scoring.