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  • #91
    Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

    Originally posted by ShirtlessBob View Post
    Question remains, will she do her job, or go back to being a doosh?
    Is that even a question? She'll be doing the martyr tour and then going back to the job she inherited from her mother and harassing the employees under her.

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    • #92
      Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
      Sounds like she's going to be released from jail today.
      What's the over/under on her return to jail?
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      • #93
        Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

        Released from jail, yes. But she is not to interfere with her deputies issuing licenses, and deputies must report every 14 days on the issuing of licenses.

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        • #94
          Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
          Sounds like she's going to be released from jail today.
          On the third day?
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          • #95
            Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

            Yep
            That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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            • #96
              Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              On the third day?
              Eerie. She wasn't buried but still impressive.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                unofan - you may be interested in this web blog.
                While interesting, it probably won't make it into my regular rotation of reading material. I'm a lapsed Catholic for many reasons, and while the history of the governance of the Church is interesting in and of itself, it doesn't really apply to my actual profession anymore than Sharia or Talmudic laws do.

                To the extent you may be bringing it up because of the Kim Davis situation, his entire post kind of misses the point, because Ms. Davis is not Catholic and canon law does not matter to her or the U.S. government. As an intellectual exercise positing how a good Catholic should handle the situation, well ok, but then his other posts defending the death penalty really give me pause. Having met numerous priests and Jesuits in my day, the pro-death penalty ones are true outliers given the Church's staunch sanctity of life message. I'm not saying it's impossible to be a Catholic priest who supports the death penalty, but it's as rare as a pro-union Republican.
                Last edited by unofan; 09-09-2015, 10:19 AM.

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                • #98
                  Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                  Originally posted by unofan View Post
                  While interesting, it probably won't make it into my regular rotation of reading material. I'm a lapsed Catholic for many reasons, and while the history of the governance of the Church is interesting in and of itself, it doesn't really apply to my actual profession anymore than Sharia or Talmudic laws do.
                  As a Failed to Launch Catholic (I can't really be lapsed if I was never unlapsed) with a similar turn of mind on many issues, I recommend skimming a little of the history of canon law. I find it fascinating. Contemporary law is so intertwined with utilitarian theory as to be almost unconscious, and looking at law that comes from a completely different inspiration is IMHO a bracing experience that also brings a new perspective to our own unexamined justifications and aims both in law and society as a whole.

                  The again I'm a frustrated Medievalist, so YMMV.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    As a Failed to Launch Catholic (I can't really be lapsed if I was never unlapsed) with a similar turn of mind on many issues, I recommend skimming a little of the history of canon law. I find it fascinating. Contemporary law is so intertwined with utilitarian theory as to be almost unconscious, and looking at law that comes from a completely different inspiration is IMHO a bracing experience that also brings a new perspective to our own unexamined justifications and aims both in law and society as a whole).

                    The again I'm a frustrated Medievalist, so YMMV.
                    So you're in favor of the rack as a means of information gathering?
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                    • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                      Originally posted by joecct View Post
                      So you're in favor of the rack as a means of information gathering?
                      Depends on the rackee...

                      But remember, torture is never about information gathering. It's about getting the answer you've pre-selected. The tortured don't tell the truth, they just keep throwing stuff out there hoping they find the one that will make you stop. That's what the real life monsters never understand.
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                      • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                        EMI is planning to sue her tits off. And Huckabee's manboobs for good measure.

                        Anyone know if this case has legs?

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                        • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                          Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                          Its legs are infinitely stronger than the legs Kim Davis was attempting to rest her legal arguments on.

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                          • Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                            It's pretty clear that *someone* violated EMI's rights. I would be shocked if that person is Kim Davis. Going to be tough to prove that she organized a rally, rented a sound system, and played the recording (or caused it to be played) while safely ensconced in jail.
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                            • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                              All this because she thinks the God she worships does not tolerate gay marriage. I have not read the decision, but what did the proponents argue was the compelling state interest supporting the law? Or, if it underwent intermediate scrutiny, what was the substantial state interest to justify the law? I mean, there is a faith-based position on the law, and there is one based on rationality. A person's position that is faith-based is that person's own and worthy of respect, but taken to a level of civil disobedience from a person sworn to administer that civil law, there must be some rationale behind the position other than simple, personal faith.

                              I suspect supporters of the law on this site will know what the proponents of the law argued. They certainly did not go before the Court saying "God wills it."
                              Last edited by burd; 09-10-2015, 07:12 AM.

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                              • Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

                                They argued that indivduals' freedom of religion trumps everyone elses' civil rights, so you can violate as many rights as you please, so long as you do it in the name of a religion. Hardly a compelling argument - and it's going to be fun to see how quickly its promulgators' abandon that line of thinking as Christianity fades into plurality with other religions and atheism.
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