2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

[5mn_Major]

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Fire up the impeachment hearings, baby!

These righties love to burn taxpayers' money.

[Handyman]

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I am sure a few around here will fully support this burning of taxpayer money...

[FlagDUDE08]

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Fire up the impeachment hearings, baby!

Too little, too late. And if it doesn't work, the Kenyan's actions were justified.

[Kepler]

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A good piece by someone with apparently endless optimism.

Like Reagan went over the heads of the media and spoke directly to both supporters and detractors, Obama has the power of the pulpit to do both. Having recently been set adrift for a week with several thousand people from Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Louisiana and Oklahoma, I have been wrestling with how my prejudices and preconceived notions contrasted sharply with the extremely warm, generous, friendly and fascinating people I met. I believe these people, who I used to thoughtlessly brand with a generalized slur which I hope I now have the experience not to use in the future, would listen if Obama went around the gatekeepers and spoke directly and forthrightly to them. I'm not saying they'd become his supporters, but I do believe it would go a ways towards dulling the razor edge that partisans of both sides have been sharpening during his presidency.

[SteveP]

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A good piece by someone with apparently endless optimism.

Like Reagan went over the heads of the media and spoke directly to both supporters and detractors, Obama has the power of the pulpit to do both. Having recently been set adrift for a week with several thousand people from Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Louisiana and Oklahoma, I have been wrestling with how my prejudices and preconceived notions contrasted sharply with the extremely warm, generous, friendly and fascinating people I met. I believe these people, who I used to thoughtlessly brand with a generalized slur which I hope I now have the experience not to use in the future, would listen if Obama went around the gatekeepers and spoke directly and forthrightly to them. I'm not saying they'd become his supporters, but I do believe it would go a ways towards dulling the razor edge that partisans of both sides have been sharpening during his presidency.

Kep --- I am happy for your revelation that not everyone from "fly-over" country is a hick and not, as Mr. Bailey put it, a member of a "smaller, uglier slice of the electorate that does really want to return to the time white people were favored." They are millions of Americans, and even a few of we aliens , who are loving, hard-working and honest people that are scared about the path this great nation is heading down and fearful that it may never find a way back from what many perceive to be a dark place.

As for whether Mr. Obama can do what Mr. Bailey suggests, his track record since taking office tells me and the millions I speak of that it will never happen. His hubris and his actions against the traditional values and beliefs this country was founded upon have spoken volumes.

Do I understand why Trump has been able to feed off of the fears of those on the right? Absolutely. Do I really want to see him in the Oval Office? Not really, but I don't think he could be any worse than the guy that's in there now. Of course, your mileage may vary.

Merry Christmas, good sir, and let's hope for a Happy New Year for all of us.

[Handyman]

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As for whether Mr. Obama can do what Mr. Bailey suggests, his track record since taking office tells me and the millions I speak of that it will never happen. His hubris and his actions against the traditional values and beliefs this country was founded upon have spoken volumes.

Please...do further explain this. I want to hear what "traditional values" and "beliefs this country was founded on" did he somehow bite his thumb at? Oh and a follow up question, who do you feel acts in respect to those supposed values and beliefs out of the current crop of hopefuls and which politcos previously did especially in the more recent election cycles?

(of course anyone who has taken civics knows that there are no "traditional values and beliefs" because no one agreed on anything...but please enlighten)

[Foxton]

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Please...do further explain this. I want to hear what "traditional values" and "beliefs this country was founded on" did he somehow bite his thumb at? Oh and a follow up question, who do you feel acts in respect to those supposed values and beliefs out of the current crop of hopefuls and which politcos previously did especially in the more recent election cycles?

(of course anyone who has taken civics knows that there are no "traditional values and beliefs" because no one agreed on anything...but please enlighten)

Well he's a black man taking a position of power over whites, when he should understand that he's only 3/5ths.

[Slap Shot]

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He's actually scared about the path on which we're headed? No possible way to take such a thought process seriously and summarizes why the GOP is currently a joke.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Please...do further explain this. I want to hear what "traditional values" and "beliefs this country was founded on" did he somehow bite his thumb at? Oh and a follow up question, who do you feel acts in respect to those supposed values and beliefs out of the current crop of hopefuls and which politcos previously did especially in the more recent election cycles?

(of course anyone who has taken civics knows that there are no "traditional values and beliefs" because no one agreed on anything...but please enlighten)

They've been called out on this before, and the fact is, the Boomers' idea of "traditional values and beliefs of the US" is grounded in their own values and beliefs from the 1950s, not those of the 18th century. The values and beliefs of the founders were far from traditional. In fact, they were radical, treasonous, and dangerous from the point of view of any European monarchy at the time. Now think, which generation has largely espoused the latter description of the current administration's worldview?

It's hardly a coincidence. 'Twas ever thus, and someday when it's their turn to hit old age, the Xers and the Mils will go through the same experience with whatever scary "librul" values and beliefs are sweeping the country at the time. They will wish they could all go back to when Clinton, or Obama, or whoever was in office, and life seemed simple.

[joecct]

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They've been called out on this before, and the fact is, the Boomers' idea of "traditional values and beliefs of the US" is grounded in their own values and beliefs from the 1950s, not those of the 18th century. The values and beliefs of the founders were far from traditional. In fact, they were radical, treasonous, and dangerous from the point of view of any European monarchy at the time. Now think, which generation has largely espoused the latter description of the current administration's worldview?

It's hardly a coincidence. 'Twas ever thus, and someday when it's their turn to hit old age, the Xers and the Mils will go through the same experience with whatever scary "librul" values and beliefs are sweeping the country at the time. They will wish they could all go back to when Clinton, or Obama, or whoever was in office, and life seemed simple.

Crash Davis once said:

Well, I believe in the soul, the c0ck, the pu$$y, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

[Kepler]

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History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

[Kepler]

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They better double his secret service detail.

President Barack Obama is expected to announce in the coming days a new executive action with the goal of expanding background checks on gun sales, people familiar with White House planning said.

Described as "imminent," the set of executive actions would fulfill a promise by the President to take further unilateral steps the White House says could help curb gun deaths.

[joecct]

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If the Congress will not do what the President wants, does the President have the right, the duty, or the moral obligation to bypass the Congress and enact his wishes via Executive Orders or Rules?

[GrinCDXX]

If the Congress will not do what the President wants, does the President have the right, the duty, or the moral obligation to bypass the Congress and enact his wishes via Executive Orders or Rules?

Replace "what the president wants" with "what the majority of voters want" and you have a more intellectually honest question.

[St. Clown]

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Replace "what the president wants" with "what the majority of voters want" and you have a more intellectually honest question.

Why do you say that? Your insertion, I'd argue, of what the majority of voters want can't be verified if they're not asked directly. You're committing a logical fallacy. Ask the majority of voters, would they have wanted No Child Left Behind? What about ______ that President _____ implemented?

Presidents have long had a history of initiating projects or making various decisions that were terribly unpopular. Those decisions might've been the best route for the country to take, but it wasn't necessarily the electorate's will.