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  • Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

    Good article by Bill Bennett.

    http://www.billbennett.com/gordon-ch...edium=facebook
    Originally posted by Priceless
    Good to see you're so reasonable.
    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
    Very well, said.
    Originally posted by Rover
    A fair assessment Bob.

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      Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
      Oh, yeah, ****ing fantastic. More war drums from the GOP.
      **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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      • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        Oh, yeah, ****ing fantastic. More war drums from the GOP.
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        • Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

          Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
          One word: dinosaur

          Repeat after me. The Cold War is Over. The 1980's are Over. Its time to move on....
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          • Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

            Gotta hand it to the GOP they reached their goal. We are now at WAR 100% of the ****ing time. It's never going to end.
            **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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              Originally posted by Rover View Post
              One word: dinosaur

              Repeat after me. The Cold War is Over. The 1980's are Over. Its time to move on....
              Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We are doomed.
              Originally posted by Priceless
              Good to see you're so reasonable.
              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
              Very well, said.
              Originally posted by Rover
              A fair assessment Bob.

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                Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We are doomed.
                I'll say.
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                  Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                  Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We are doomed.
                  Yeah, that's why we're stuck in a land war in Asia. Because your ****ing Senator learns from history.
                  **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                  Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                    China and the US are going to sabre rattle back and forth at each other for a very long time to come. We will see our battle fleets perform maneuvers near waters where China claims authority yet others in the area disagree, just as China will continue to push until they come to the brink of war only to then relent. For all of the seemingly hostile acts China takes, they've not directly (important word here) entered into war with another nation since WWII, and only did so because Japan invaded.

                    The US and China need each other too much, our economies are so grossly intertwined at this point that it would be both political and economic suicide for the two nations to enter into either a cold or hot war, considerations that never existed between us and Soviet Russia in the 1940s.

                    As for Russia, they're in Syria because they're an authoritarian people and they long for some semblance of the glory years of their Soviet empire, something most of their leadership still actively remembers. Every time the declared leaders of the world are upended, it creates a great deal of turmoil for the people. The Soviets are ousted from power in the late 80s and early 90s, conflict and hardship ensued during the transition. Current leadership has externalized their authoritarian need and applied them to other countries they see going through similar issues. Crimea wasn't happy with the fledgling Ukraine leadership, and there was military significance to the region, so Russia "helped" the situation by annexing Crimea and "stabilize" the situation. Syria's king has been challenged for more than three years now and the nation is in shambles with refugees pouring into Europe, so the Russians rush to the aid of the authority that they believe should be in charge. It helps Russia's national pride that it's also in opposition to the US in Syria, but that's just the side benefit to them.
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                    • Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      Glad you agree with me, but I'm not seeing what your point is regarding the domino theory, which had some applicability but also fell far short of explaining many things that happened in the past, as is the case with most any theory.
                      Originally posted by Priceless
                      Good to see you're so reasonable.
                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                      Very well, said.
                      Originally posted by Rover
                      A fair assessment Bob.

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                        Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                        China and the US are going to sabre rattle back and forth at each other for a very long time to come. We will see our battle fleets perform maneuvers near waters where China claims authority yet others in the area disagree, just as China will continue to push until they come to the brink of war only to then relent. For all of the seemingly hostile acts China takes, they've not directly (important word here) entered into war with another nation since WWII, and only did so because Japan invaded.

                        The US and China need each other too much, our economies are so grossly intertwined at this point that it would be both political and economic suicide for the two nations to enter into either a cold or hot war, considerations that never existed between us and Soviet Russia in the 1940s.

                        As for Russia, they're in Syria because they're an authoritarian people and they long for some semblance of the glory years of their Soviet empire, something most of their leadership still actively remembers. Every time the declared leaders of the world are upended, it creates a great deal of turmoil for the people. The Soviets are ousted from power in the late 80s and early 90s, conflict and hardship ensued during the transition. Current leadership has externalized their authoritarian need and applied them to other countries they see going through similar issues. Crimea wasn't happy with the fledgling Ukraine leadership, and there was military significance to the region, so Russia "helped" the situation by annexing Crimea and "stabilize" the situation. Syria's king has been challenged for more than three years now and the nation is in shambles with refugees pouring into Europe, so the Russians rush to the aid of the authority that they believe should be in charge. It helps Russia's national pride that it's also in opposition to the US in Syria, but that's just the side benefit to them.
                        I generally agree.
                        Originally posted by Priceless
                        Good to see you're so reasonable.
                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                        Very well, said.
                        Originally posted by Rover
                        A fair assessment Bob.

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                        • Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                          Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                          Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We are doomed.
                          If you mean "we" as in your fellow conservatives, yes you are doomed so I agree completely. Neo-conservatism, aka neo-conartistism is a sh! t ideology that basically involves draft dodgers trying to play Rambo by sending other people and their kids off to wars with no vital US interests at stake. It gave us the worst war in the US History, Iraq, which I'm guessing you at the time whole heartedly supported.

                          During the Cold War, which I'm old enough to remember the tail end of, it was necessarily to oppose the Soviets at every turn. Now? Who gives a F if they want to get involved in Syria? Have at it Vlady. It will turn out as well as his foray into Ukraine, a neverending conflict with no exit strategy that will drain his finances for years. 40 years ago the Soviets would have had Ukraine conquered in weeks. Now its considered a victory is a pint sized terrority (Crimea) willingly decides to join up with them.

                          Same thing with China. If China's neighbors are concerned about encroachment into the South China Sea, they can all get together and form a defense pact to oppose them. A Japan-South Korea-Vietnam-Indonesia-Malaysia-Singapore-Myanmar-etc alliance would be a pretty formidable deterrent.
                          Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

                          Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

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                          • Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                            Speaking of not learning from history, this article about Kissinger and how he really saw Vietnam has more than a hint of similarity with our ill-fated adventures in Iraq.

                            http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...ies-213236?o=0
                            Originally posted by Priceless
                            Good to see you're so reasonable.
                            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                            Very well, said.
                            Originally posted by Rover
                            A fair assessment Bob.

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                              Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                              Speaking of not learning from history, this article about Kissinger and how he really saw Vietnam has more than a hint of similarity with our ill-fated adventures in Iraq.

                              http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...ies-213236?o=0
                              Maybe your Senator should talk with him.
                              **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                              Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                              Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                              • Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                                Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                                Speaking of not learning from history, this article about Kissinger and how he really saw Vietnam has more than a hint of similarity with our ill-fated adventures in Iraq.

                                http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...ies-213236?o=0
                                It's all a part of the plan for population control. And before you start spouting modern conspiracy tin-foil-hat BS, this has been going on for thousands of years in "developed" societies that experience baby booms. This is why you see wars (or "war-like activity" with no official war declared) or genocides every 20-40 years or so in history, especially when a country did not sustain heavy losses in the previous war.

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