2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

[Rover]

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Gotta disagree on the politics-church cause of some of the decline. I personally know of people who grew up in the Southern Baptist Church, and it was a far, far different experience 40 years ago than it is now. The big difference is politics.

Regarding Bob's assertion of the lesser of two evils, I'm curious what people are supposed to think when the party of the lesser of two evils is made up of child molesters, people keeping two families, guys picking up men in airport bathrooms, anti-abortion congressmen paying for thier mistresses abortions, etc etc etc. I mean, really???

[Bob Gray]

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That worries me. It's what Jesus was on about.

I know of the terms "law" and "message", but I wasn't assuming I knew what you meant by them. My understanding of the two terms didn't connect with how you used them.

[Bob Gray]

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Gotta disagree on the politics-church cause of some of the decline. I personally know of people who grew up in the Southern Baptist Church, and it was a far, far different experience 40 years ago than it is now. The big difference is politics.

Regarding Bob's assertion of the lesser of two evils, I'm curious what people are supposed to think when the party of the lesser of two evils is made up of child molesters, people keeping two families, guys picking up men in airport bathrooms, anti-abortion congressmen paying for thier mistresses abortions, etc etc etc. I mean, really???

Conservatives say similar stuff about those who make up the Dem side of things. Thus the lesser evil angle.

[geezer]

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Speaking of christian presidents and whatnot, it seems like it used to be when I was young that the pres would be photographed going to church with his family on Sunday morning, quite regularly. Is this still in fashion? Have our recent presidents done this, or saved it for Easter & Christmas?
I don't like mixing a person's religion with his politics, I think Obama strikes a good balance in that department. He seems to more or less keep it out of his public life and public remarks while being open about what has influenced him.

[Kepler]

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Speaking of christian presidents and whatnot, it seems like it used to be when I was young that the pres would be photographed going to church with his family on Sunday morning, quite regularly. Is this still in fashion? Have our recent presidents done this, or saved it for Easter & Christmas?
I don't like mixing a person's religion with his politics, I think Obama strikes a good balance in that department. He seems to more or less keep it out of his public life and public remarks while being open about what has influenced him.

Easter was always a big deal for public officials emerging from church (mostly because their wives wore the world's most ludicrous hats), but IINM the first president where it was a big deal to see him in church on a normal weekend was JFK, because, you know, Popery. I'm not sure Nixon was permitted on holy ground (see rules on vampires). Carter made a big deal of it because Born Again; Reagan probably faked his way through it like his ranch horseback riding sessions. By then the Thumpers had wormed their way into politics so since then it's been important to be filmed while being superstitious.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Speaking of christian presidents and whatnot, it seems like it used to be when I was young that the pres would be photographed going to church with his family on Sunday morning, quite regularly. Is this still in fashion? Have our recent presidents done this, or saved it for Easter & Christmas?
I don't like mixing a person's religion with his politics, I think Obama strikes a good balance in that department. He seems to more or less keep it out of his public life and public remarks while being open about what has influenced him.

I recall both Clinton and GWB being photographed going to church. Obummer probably rolls out his prayer rug in his private office five times a day (he was born Muslim, and the Jeremiah Wright thing seems like a front to pander to Christianity).

[joecct]

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I think church going for the Chief Executive is now problematical due to "security concerns".

[burd]

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I recall both Clinton and GWB being photographed going to church. Obummer probably rolls out his prayer rug in his private office five times a day (he was born Muslim, and the Jeremiah Wright thing seems like a front to pander to Christianity).

Plus he was born in Kenya, and those folks don't know what GAAWWWWWD is.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Plus he was born in Kenya, and those folks don't know what GAAWWWWWD is.

Hasa diga eebowai.

[Bob Gray]

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Plus he was born in Kenya, and those folks don't know what GAAWWWWWD is.

Uh, Christianity is the dominant religion in Kenya according to reports I've seen.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I recall both Clinton and GWB being photographed going to church.

They then promptly went back to the Oval, where Slick probably got a Sunday afternoon BJ from his harem of interns, and Bush continued putting American lives on the line in an unnecessary and crippling war.

Some good that pretentious church goin' did for them.

[FlagDUDE08]

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They then promptly went back to the Oval, where Slick probably got a Sunday afternoon BJ from his harem of interns, and Bush continued putting American lives on the line in an unnecessary and crippling war.

Some good that pretentious church goin' did for them.

Hey now, Pat Robertson talked about how the country should go after Chavez.

[Kepler]

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Reasons that Reason knows nothing about.

[Kepler]

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Good news, bad news on TPA, with a special Tea Bagger entry in the Godwin Olympiad.

The House Friday afternoon approved fast-track legislation, known as Trade Promotion Authority, by a vote of 219-211. That produced cheers from the floor, but there's a hitch. And unless it's fixed, TPA won't reach the president's desk.

The TPA vote followed a vote to reject the Trade Adjustment Assistance bill by 126-302. The TAA legislation would have funded retraining workers displaced by trade pacts. Democrats who normally would have voted for such legislation voted heavily against it as part of a tactic to block TPA. Under a procedural rule passed Thursday, if TAA failed, TPA could not be sent to the president. Originally, in fact, the plan was not to hold a vote on TPA at all if TAA failed. But Republican leaders changed their minds after the parliamentarian reportedly informed them that the TPA vote was okay as long as TAA would be reconsidered.

So the House will take up again TAA early next week. If more nudging and cajoling and arm-twisting by President Obama doesn't succeed in reversing that vote, TPA will remain in limbo.

[St. Clown]

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That reads like the House is playing a game of Just The Tip.