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  • #166
    Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

    Originally posted by Franklin Graham
    Evangelical pastor Franklin Graham announced yesterday that he intends to “fight the tide of moral decay that is being crammed down our throats by big business, the media, and the gay & lesbian community.”
    Originally posted by M$NBC
    Graham, son of the famed evangelical pastor Billy Graham, runs the church his father started, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, which had net assets of $295 million in 2014, according to the most recent data available on the ministry’s website.
    Yeah, the Graham ministry is absolutely not "big business".

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    • #167
      Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

      Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
      Yeah, the Graham ministry is absolutely not "big business".
      Not compared to the Walmarts, Targets, Apples, etc. that increasingly tilt toward liberal interests in favor of what Graham considers moral decay.
      Originally posted by Priceless
      Good to see you're so reasonable.
      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
      Very well, said.
      Originally posted by Rover
      A fair assessment Bob.

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      • #168
        Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

        Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
        Yeah, the Graham ministry is absolutely not "big business".
        He's not Big Biz, he's Big Org. There's a difference!
        "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

        "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

        "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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        • #169
          Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

          Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
          He's not Big Biz, he's Big Org. There's a difference!
          Ever notice that the ministers of larger churches live in huge mansions? And if you ever watch The 700 Club, they talk about how these people found insane amounts of wealth because they donated to the club?

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          • #170
            Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

            Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
            Not compared to the Walmarts, Targets, Apples, etc. that increasingly tilt toward liberal interests in favor of what Graham considers moral decay.
            I know. I just find it amusing when the multi-millioniares complain about the multi-billioniares.

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            • #171
              Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
              Ever notice that the ministers of larger churches live in huge mansions? And if you ever watch The 700 Club, they talk about how these people found insane amounts of wealth because they donated to the club?
              It's the usual hypocrisy.

              Even worse, they're just going to drive up property values in hell. -- Matthew 19:24
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              • #172
                Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                Ever notice that the ministers of larger churches live in huge mansions? And if you ever watch The 700 Club, they talk about how these people found insane amounts of wealth because they donated to the club?
                Is this true in regard to Franklin Graham? I've never heard anything about him living in a huge mansion and my general impression is that he's not that type, but I honestly don't know.
                Originally posted by Priceless
                Good to see you're so reasonable.
                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                Very well, said.
                Originally posted by Rover
                A fair assessment Bob.

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                • #173
                  Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                  Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                  Is this true in regard to Franklin Graham? I've never heard anything about him living in a huge mansion and my general impression is that he's not that type, but I honestly don't know.
                  It's possible, I'm sure. Also, the mansions are typically tax-sheltered, too, because they are considered "rectories".

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                  • #174
                    Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                    It's possible, I'm sure. Also, the mansions are typically tax-sheltered, too, because they are considered "rectories".
                    Of course they are. I wish him much success in washing the gay away from the world.
                    **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                    Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                    • #175
                      Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                      Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                      It's possible, I'm sure. Also, the mansions are typically tax-sheltered, too, because they are considered "rectories".
                      It's possible means we don't know. Isn't a rectory for a pastor of a church or such? Graham, I don't believe pastors a church, but rather is involved in things like the charity Samaritan's Purse that helps with things like disaster relief.
                      Originally posted by Priceless
                      Good to see you're so reasonable.
                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                      Very well, said.
                      Originally posted by Rover
                      A fair assessment Bob.

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                      • #176
                        Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                        My impression of the elder Graham was he was a sort of inoffensive Dale Carnegie type of preacher and his theology was a Chauncey Gardiner-esque "plant the seed in the spring that you will see green shoots." He seemed like Rotary Club stuff, as opposed to the crazies like Oral Roberts or the transparent con men like Pat Robertson. Now, spoiled sons are often malignant versions of their more honorable fathers (Dubya, William Kristol, John Podhoretz), so younger Graham may just be another hypocrite riding the God gravy train, or not. Personally I'd never heard of him until this thread.
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                        • #177
                          Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          My impression of the elder Graham was he was a sort of inoffensive Dale Carnegie type of preacher and his theology was a Chauncey Gardiner-esque "plant the seed in the spring that you will see green shoots." He seemed like Rotary Club stuff, as opposed to the crazies like Oral Roberts or the transparent con men like Pat Robertson. Now, spoiled sons are often malignant versions of their more honorable fathers (Dubya, William Kristol, John Podhoretz), so younger Graham may just be another hypocrite riding the God gravy train, or not. Personally I'd never heard of him until this thread.
                          I'm familiar with Samaritan's Purse (and Franklin) from back in the 80s - our church youth group supplied labor to some of the work sites that SP was funding to fix up old houses. They were just over the border in Boone, NC.

                          Ironically, their motto is "Our purse is always empty." $295M doesn't sound empty to me...
                          If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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                          • #178
                            Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                            Looking at Charity Navigator, Samaritan's Purse is very highly rated. Same thing on Charity Watch. We give to them occasionally and when I've looked into them in the past, they've always been highly rated. But, hey, with Franklin Graham speaking out, some people are going to dislike them even if they are an efficient charity. As noted, if you don't say the right things in this country, you better watch out.
                            Originally posted by Priceless
                            Good to see you're so reasonable.
                            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                            Very well, said.
                            Originally posted by Rover
                            A fair assessment Bob.

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                            • #179
                              Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                              Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                              As noted, if you don't say the right things in this country, you better watch out.
                              I'll say. How many non-Christian presidents again?
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                              • #180
                                Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                I'll say. How many non-Christian presidents again?
                                We'll find that one out in eternity.

                                Which of course has almost nothing to do with the cultural tides in this country, which demonstrate what I say in spades.
                                Originally posted by Priceless
                                Good to see you're so reasonable.
                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                                Very well, said.
                                Originally posted by Rover
                                A fair assessment Bob.

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