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  • #781
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    You adjust like with every other program in history. But when the other side is obsessed with a repeal drag act that will instantly remove 14 million people from insurance, you have to wait until you control Congress to do it.

    Nice try, though.
    Lots of words. You could've just cut to the chase, and to what Pres HRC will say on Day 2:

    Single. Payer.
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    • #782
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
      Lots of words. You could've just cut to the chase, and to what Pres HRC will say on Day 2:

      Single. Payer.
      You had me at President Clinton.
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      • #783
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

        Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
        Gov. Mark Dayton (D, MN) says Affordable Care Act has become unaffordable, needs reforms
        He stressed it helps many, but has "serious blemishes."

        http://www.startribune.com/dayton-sa...rms/396864871/

        What do you do when your signature legislation, the Affordable Care Act, ... isn't.
        You fix it...

        Why is it people on the Right cant seem to understand you dont have to just burn the house down when the rook leaks...
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        • #784
          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
          You fix it...

          Why is it people on the Right cant seem to understand you dont have to just burn the house down when the rook leaks...
          The correct analogy is when a Republican's electricity bill goes up he burns down the houses in the poor part of town to reduce demand.
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          • #785
            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            The correct analogy is when a Republican's electricity bill goes up he burns down the houses in the poor part of town to reduce demand.
            Yhat would increase rates as LILCO had to make a profit.
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            • #786
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              Yhat would increase rates as LILCO had to make a profit.
              But if the rich guy owns LILCO...
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              • #787
                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                Yhat would increase rates as LILCO had to make a profit.
                And yet the analogy still holds true.

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                • #788
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                  You fix it...
                  Me? Nope. SEP*.
                  You're the Minnesotan with the MNSure problems. You fix it.


                  *someone else's problem
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                  • #789
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                    Me? Nope. SEP*.
                    You're the Minnesotan with the MNSure problems. You fix it.


                    *someone else's problem
                    I am not on MNSURE so no.

                    And I think you understand that "you" meant "those in charge". But here lets put it another way...

                    The GOP Congress has tried to repeal ObamaCare like 40 times...none of those times have any sort of fix for it or replacement, just get rid of it and see where the chips land. I am all for getting rid of something that doesnt work (and I have hated ObamaCare since Day 1) as long as we have something better than or at least equal to it as a replacement. They dont like it cause the Mean Muslim Kenyan put it through. And before you deny that...remember in none of those repeals, or in the hours of yelling and *****ing about it did they ever even discuss ways to fix the holes...it is either repeal it or ITS THE END OF THE WORLD CAUSE OF SOCIALISM!!1!!!!!!!!111 (cause not one nimrod on the Right actually knows what Socialism is...they just overuse the buzzword like they are Millennial trying to sound smart)

                    Newsflash to the Right Side of the Aisle just because your tire pressure is low doesnt mean you douse your car in gasoline and set it on fire! You find the problem and fix it. I know that requires thinking, and these people are so flipping stupid they think science is some sort of liberal lie, but that is your job.
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                    • #790
                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      I am not on MNSURE so no.

                      And I think you understand that "you" meant "those in charge". But here lets put it another way...

                      The GOP Congress has tried to repeal ObamaCare like 40 times...none of those times have any sort of fix for it or replacement, just get rid of it and see where the chips land. I am all for getting rid of something that doesnt work (and I have hated ObamaCare since Day 1) as long as we have something better than or at least equal to it as a replacement. They dont like it cause the Mean Muslim Kenyan put it through. And before you deny that...remember in none of those repeals, or in the hours of yelling and *****ing about it did they ever even discuss ways to fix the holes...it is either repeal it or ITS THE END OF THE WORLD CAUSE OF SOCIALISM!!1!!!!!!!!111 (cause not one nimrod on the Right actually knows what Socialism is...they just overuse the buzzword like they are Millennial trying to sound smart)

                      Newsflash to the Right Side of the Aisle just because your tire pressure is low doesnt mean you douse your car in gasoline and set it on fire! You find the problem and fix it. I know that requires thinking, and these people are so flipping stupid they think science is some sort of liberal lie, but that is your job.
                      Maybe the best solution is not a federal solution??
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                      • #791
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        it is either repeal it or ITS THE END OF THE WORLD CAUSE OF SOCIALISM!!1!!!!!!!!111 (cause not one nimrod on the Right actually knows what Socialism is...they just overuse the buzzword like they are Millennial trying to sound smart)
                        I've been noticing a resurgence in "Orwellian" lately.

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                        • #792
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                          Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          Maybe the best solution is not a federal solution??
                          So think of something better...something that wont screw all those people who have insurance now but didnt before and that is a start. We can discuss repealing it when you can replace it completely.
                          "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                          -aparch

                          "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                          -INCH

                          Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
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                          • #793
                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            So think of something better...something that wont screw all those people who have insurance now but didnt before and that is a start. We can discuss repealing it when you can replace it completely.
                            The way the policies are currently constructed, you can't afford to have a major medical expense. Not with super high deductibles.
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                            1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                            ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                            - Benjamin Franklin

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                            • #794
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                              That is an awesome soundbyte...problem is it means nothing. People had the same issues under the old system (google the stats on bankruptcies due to health issues) so in reality it is just an empty platitude. That is all the Right has about this...a bunch of rhetoric but zero solutions. That is why their repeals go nowhere...

                              Again I dislike ObamaCare as much the next guy but I will still rip the GOP for their ridiculousness on this subject until they prove it is more than just hollow words said to make a few bucks. Problem is, almost every day that party gives people reason to believe they dont give two craps about them so why should anyone trust them on this issue? Add in that they have no idea what they want to do to make sure people have access to good rates and coverage (and dont you dare say Market Forces because that is what got us here in the first place...bad health care at high prices cause of Market Forces) and they look like fools.
                              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                              -aparch

                              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                              -INCH

                              Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                              -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                              • #795
                                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                The way the policies are currently constructed, you can't afford to have a major medical expense. Not with super high deductibles.
                                The way the old policies were constructed you wouldn't have medical insurance and it would bankrupt you financially.

                                For some reason in this country it's ok to charge 1000 dollars for a pill that costs 1 dollar to make while at the same time saying we can't reduce costs and cover everybody. The entire system is broken. The system was broken before. It's still broken.

                                And here's the beauty of it. There are a lot of powerful people making a lot of money off the broken system. And they are way more powerful than the average American who needs Health Care.

                                We have an ethics crisis in this country.
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