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  • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I would have zero issues banning advertising for drugs.
    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    One of the worst kept marketing secrets of big pharma is the practice of hiring young, attractive women as "sales reps" to drop off med samples and "free" lunch at doctor's offices.

    Celebrity endorsements as well - Paula Dean was getting paid to hawk her diabetes meds, Phil Mickelson gets paid to talk up his arthritis meds, etc. It's a circus.
    I agree completely. I also think physicians advertising is kind of shady as well. It is my understanding that the AMA had a policy against that but that fell off the books soon after lawyers were allowed to advertise IIRC (Supreme court case, maybe 1970s?). I would be fine returning to that policy or something thereabouts. Patients are an incredibly susceptible, vulnerable population, and advertising preys on this. Physicians should be the last people involved in that practice.

    I actually think a lot of improvements have been made with the whole drug advertising to physicians thing. The large hospitals I have worked in have basically eliminated all exposure with drug reps, no meals, and no pens or licensed things around.

    It was nice having samples around but I understand why it is falling out of practice. I once had a "frozen" Parkinson's patient in the clinic that we could do nothing for until they were admitted. In the past, we would have at least had a sample medication we could give to them in the clinic but we were stuck, helpless.

    Again, I will plug Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre. Read it.
    In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.

    Originally posted by burd
    I look at some people and I just know they do it doggy style. No way they're getting close to my kids.

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    • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      I wonder if they can't. I'm sure everything they do is right up against the edge of legality. Presumably there's a regulation, or they'd do it.
      There has to be some sort of regulation that they must say it (can't be fine print), but I don't know about the speed. I know in NY that attorney commercials may not have musical jingles. The two Heavy Hitters groups (MH&M and A&C) eventually got caught and had to scrap that particular portion, although Vermont stations picked up in NY (such as WCAX, since MH&M has an office in Plattsburgh) will continue to use the jingle.

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        Hey Doc (and other medical pros) - this really can happen?

        http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/mor...air-and-teeth/
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          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          There has to be some sort of regulation that they must say it (can't be fine print), but I don't know about the speed. I know in NY that attorney commercials may not have musical jingles. The two Heavy Hitters groups (MH&M and A&C) eventually got caught and had to scrap that particular portion, although Vermont stations picked up in NY (such as WCAX, since MH&M has an office in Plattsburgh) will continue to use the jingle.
          Why do you know this stuff so well? This isn't the first time you've made specific and interesting points about that industry. Is it your line of work?

          I enjoy it when people in industries gives their opinions on matters with which they have experience. This is one of the best parts of living in the DC area -- being interested in politics, it's great to talk to people who know about their spot on the elephant. Doesn't mean they're speaking gospel of course -- it's still opinion. But it's more than the usual game of telephone where everybody is repeating one or two talking points.
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          • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Why do you know this stuff so well? This isn't the first time you've made specific and interesting points about that industry. Is it your line of work?

            I enjoy it when people in industries gives their opinions on matters with which they have experience. This is one of the best parts of living in the DC area -- being interested in politics, it's great to talk to people who know about their spot on the elephant. Doesn't mean they're speaking gospel of course -- it's still opinion. But it's more than the usual game of telephone where everybody is repeating one or two talking points.
            Law is not my profession, but I do have a bit of a fascination with trivia; probably stems from my lifelong love for game shows.

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            • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              Hey Doc (and other medical pros) - this really can happen?

              http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/mor...air-and-teeth/
              This is where you have Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice dropping in to say that "It's not a tumor!"
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              • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                Hey Doc (and other medical pros) - this really can happen?

                http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/mor...air-and-teeth/
                That article was a struggle to get through (I hate they way the media sensationalizes things like this) but essentially, yes.

                She had a teratoma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teratoma. The main thing about a teratoma is it is polydermal, or contains more than one type of embryonic tissue. This allows the tumor to develop many types of tissue (like skin, hair, teeth, muscle, nervous tissue, even internal organs (rarely)) but I have not heard it referred to as a "twin" as it is an entirely different process than an actual twin (or parasitic twin which is an actual embryo). Most are found elsewhere in the body but it is possible to have one in the brain.

                Reading between the lines (or not), most neurosurgeons she saw thought the risk was too high for surgery and with most things, if you shop around long enough you can usually find someone who is willing to take on that risk of surgery. Hopefully it all works out and they were able to get all of the offending tissue.
                Last edited by WisconsinWildcard; 04-23-2015, 10:12 AM.
                In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.

                Originally posted by burd
                I look at some people and I just know they do it doggy style. No way they're getting close to my kids.

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                • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  Hey Doc (and other medical pros) - this really can happen?

                  http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/mor...air-and-teeth/
                  WWC is spot on-a teratoma. I had heard one of the ways to diagnose this type of thing was to place an ice cube over it and see if you can hear the teeth chatter. There are a lot of fascinating odd medical presentations but the press usually does not have enough knowledge and certain does not take the time to carefully research and present all the information. They most often just publish the sensational parts.
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                  • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                    17M reduction in uninsured population according to new study...

                    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...re-study-finds
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                    • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                      Originally posted by Rover View Post
                      17M reduction in uninsured population according to new study...

                      http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...re-study-finds
                      All Medicaid. Which means I'm paying double.
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                      • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                        All Medicaid. Which means I'm paying double.

                        I think you need to take another look...
                        Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

                        Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

                        "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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                        • Originally posted by Rover View Post
                          17M reduction in uninsured population according to new study...

                          http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...re-study-finds
                          Having insurance # getting proper care.
                          CCT '77 & '78
                          4 kids
                          5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
                          1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                          ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                          - Benjamin Franklin

                          Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                          I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                          • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                            Originally posted by joecct View Post
                            Having insurance # getting proper care.
                            Is that the latest right wing talking point? What happened to the death panels?
                            Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

                            Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

                            "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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                            • Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              Is that the latest right wing talking point? What happened to the death panels?
                              No it was part of my discussion prior to the bill's passage. We need less specialists and more GP's.

                              And there was an article recently that ER visits are up, not down.
                              CCT '77 & '78
                              4 kids
                              5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
                              1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                              ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                              - Benjamin Franklin

                              Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                              I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                              • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                No it was part of my discussion prior to the bill's passage. We need less specialists and more GP's.

                                And there was an article recently that ER visits are up, not down.
                                We could incentivize GP, but instead we'd rather incentivize billionaire's and oil companies.
                                **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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