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  • #991
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Stop making up facts. They aren't even alternate facts.
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    May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
    Originally posted by bigblue_dl
    I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
    Originally posted by Kepler
    When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
    He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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    • #992
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      My opinion is that for specialized fields that can operate their market effectively, private organizations are the best choice. Energy is one area where it seems to work. Energy organizations have quite a bit of strategic head room and so can offer more creative solutions. Energy organizations also can get into R&D and help to develop solutions for the future. If you're a progressive, private enterprise are just better for innovation. Government run organizations are most effective where strict continued management is more important or the marketplace can't provide goods and services to those who need it - see education.

      There is something clearly wrong in health care management. Too much of its run by middle men - health insurance - that don't allow services for higher cost customers. At minimum, there needs considerable more regulation. This is a rare case where the government may need to step and take over basic insurance plans to make sure the market gets served
      Go Gophers!

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      • #993
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

        Manhattan Project, Space Race, The Internet

        Three of mankind's greatest achievements. All done with government R&D as opposed to the private organizations. Sure they had contractors, but the R&D was done by government. THis isn't even getting into the R&D organizations that make up the American university system, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Fermilab, Argonne, Livermore, NASA, NSF, EPA, DARPA, USGS, etc.

        THe US government is one of the greatest R&D institutions in the world, if not the greatest.
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        Originally posted by SanTropez
        May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
        Originally posted by bigblue_dl
        I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
        Originally posted by Kepler
        When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
        He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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        • #994
          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
          Manhattan Project, Space Race, The Internet

          Three of mankind's greatest achievements. All done with government R&D as opposed to the private organizations. Sure they had contractors, but the R&D was done by government. THis isn't even getting into the R&D organizations that make up the American university system, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Fermilab, Argonne, Livermore, NASA, NSF, EPA, DARPA, USGS, etc.

          THe US government is one of the greatest R&D institutions in the world, if not the greatest.
          While that's a good point, I would say that those are all technology/scientific achievements. The one with consumer application was the internet. And private enterprise was the group that got consumption value out of it - government could never have created even a small amount of what's been achieved by business.
          Go Gophers!

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          • #995
            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
            Manhattan Project, Space Race, The Internet

            Three of mankind's greatest achievements. All done with government R&D as opposed to the private organizations. Sure they had contractors, but the R&D was done by government. THis isn't even getting into the R&D organizations that make up the American university system, Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Fermilab, Argonne, Livermore, NASA, NSF, EPA, DARPA, USGS, etc.

            THe US government is one of the greatest R&D institutions in the world, if not the greatest.
            The US government had no specific agenda to create the internet. It was created back in the 60's by professors for the express reason that they wanted to more quickly exchange research data. The fact that they worked for publicly financed universities is a side note. The government then found out what these professors were doing, and realized the military applications, funded its development even further which led to ARPANET in the 80's.
            "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

            "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

            "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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            • #996
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

              Which universities?
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              Originally posted by SanTropez
              May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
              Originally posted by bigblue_dl
              I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
              Originally posted by Kepler
              When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
              He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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              • #997
                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                Which universities?
                UCLA and Utah in the US, and a few European schools, I think.
                "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

                "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

                "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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                • #998
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                  So public schools?
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                  Originally posted by SanTropez
                  May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                  Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                  I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                  Originally posted by Kepler
                  When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                  He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                  • #999
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                    So public schools?
                    Yes, public schools. Like I said, the development of the internet was not the government's intent. The professors were acting independently of any sort of stated objective. They had a desire to more efficiently share research.
                    "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

                    "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

                    "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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                    • #1000
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                      Yes, public schools. Like I said, the development of the internet was not the government's intent. The professors were acting independently of any sort of stated objective. They had a desire to more efficiently share research.
                      THat's irrelevant. Things like Post-Its were discovered by accident. Hell, much of what seems to be some of 3M's biggest hits were discovered by accident.
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                      Originally posted by SanTropez
                      May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                      Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                      I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                      Originally posted by Kepler
                      When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                      He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                      • #1001
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                        Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                        Yes, public schools. Like I said, the development of the internet was not the government's intent. The professors were acting independently of any sort of stated objective. They had a desire to more efficiently share research.
                        I don't think this is 100% accurate. Computer science labs began research packet networking almost as soon as computer science became a 'thing' in the late 50s. They had an objective -- to develop reliable networking protocols. The DoD awarded research contracts in the 60s for packet networks. This evolved to include protocols that allowed connecting different networks together. The first ARPANET message was sent form UCLA to Stanford. UCLA was getting DoD funding for this research. The government absolutely had the intent to develop what became known as the internet. Thats why TCP/IP was produced from a DARPA research project.

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                        • #1002
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                          THat's irrelevant. Things like Post-Its were discovered by accident. Hell, much of what seems to be some of 3M's biggest hits were discovered by accident.
                          It's entirely relevant. They could have been researching quantum mechanics as their main work focus, and just grabbed onto computers as a method for their research. And they could just as easily have been working at two Ivy League schools and the whole thing never would have happen. They were simply trying to overcome geographic distances. That said, the Euro-US networking effort involved a professor at Princeton (just looked it up), working with counterparts in Stockholm and London.
                          "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

                          "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

                          "Good news! We have a delivery." Professor Farnsworth

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                          • #1003
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                            It's entirely relevant. They could have been researching quantum mechanics as their main work focus, and just grabbed onto computers as a method for their research. And they could just as easily have been working at two Ivy League schools and the whole thing never would have happen. They were simply trying to overcome geographic distances. That said, the Euro-US networking effort involved a professor at Princeton (just looked it up), working with counterparts in Stockholm and London.
                            I'm sorry, but it's not relevant, at least IMNSHO. They were enabled by government research. Whether that was their directive or not. The point is, that the government is a massive R&D organization and maybe the best in the world. Public universities are part of that network.
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                            Originally posted by SanTropez
                            May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                            Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                            I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                            Originally posted by Kepler
                            When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                            He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                            • #1004
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                              Aside - Do people under the age of 50 still use Post-Its?

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                              • #1005
                                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                                Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                                Aside - Do people under the age of 50 still use Post-Its?
                                Yes.

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