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  • #676
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Since Obamacare has passed I've easily cleared that. Easily.
    Yeah I'm with dxm in calling BS on this. My total out of pocket premium isn't even 10K in total. Granted I get insurance through work, but still. Unless you didn't have insurance previously and now you do, that's a bit much.
    Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

    Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

    "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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    • #677
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      Originally posted by Rover View Post
      Yeah I'm with dxm in calling BS on this. My total out of pocket premium isn't even 10K in total. Granted I get insurance through work, but still. Unless you didn't have insurance previously and now you do, that's a bit much.
      What part of 37% don't you get? And that was just last year.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us...2016.html?_r=0

      Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans — market leaders in many states — are seeking rate increases that average 23 percent in Illinois, 25 percent in North Carolina, 31 percent in Oklahoma, 36 percent in Tennessee and 54 percent in Minnesota, according to documents posted online by the federal government and state insurance commissioners and interviews with insurance executives.
      Call BS all you want.
      **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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      • #678
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

        Using this calculator, plugging in my personal information, and assuming our three kids were still under the age of 21 (they're not), my "average" anticipated annual premium is about $17,000.

        http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/
        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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        • #679
          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
          What part of 37% don't you get? And that was just last year.

          http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us...2016.html?_r=0



          Call BS all you want.
          Scoobs, what they request and what they are granted are two different things.

          Why can't you get insurance through your employer?
          Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

          Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

          "I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."

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          • #680
            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
            Using this calculator, plugging in my personal information, and assuming our three kids were still under the age of 21 (they're not), my "average" anticipated annual premium is about $17,000.

            http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/
            If you still had 3 kids under 21, you and your spouse would also be some number of years younger.

            Just saying, if you play with the scenario in an effort to make your premium higher, it's not shocking that your premium would be higher.

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            • #681
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

              Originally posted by unofan View Post
              If you still had 3 kids under 21, you and your spouse would also be some number of years younger.

              Just saying, if you play with the scenario in an effort to make your premium higher, it's not shocking that your premium would be higher.
              I put in 35 as the age of me and my spouse, in my example.
              That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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              • #682
                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                In contrast, the Federal Employees Health Benefits is a great deal.

                As a retiree, I'm paying close to $400/mo for Aetna family plan (Uncle Sam picks up a portion). Next open season my wife and I will get single plans saving us $50/mo total and lowering our catastrophic from $10K to $5K each.

                Why can't Uncle Sam do the same thing for non Feds?
                CCT '77 & '78
                4 kids
                8 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18, TJL 1/22, BRL 6/23, NDL 2/24)
                2 granddaughters (EML 4/18, LCL 5/20)

                ?€Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.?€
                - Benjamin Franklin

                Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                • #683
                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  In contrast, the Federal Employees Health Benefits is a great deal.

                  As a retiree, I'm paying close to $400/mo for Aetna family plan (Uncle Sam picks up a portion). Next open season my wife and I will get single plans saving us $50/mo total and lowering our catastrophic from $10K to $5K each.

                  Why can't Uncle Sam do the same thing for non Feds?
                  Because socialism, and I'm only half kidding.

                  You're right, it could. But then you go and vote for the party that will never let it happen.

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                  • #684
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                    Originally posted by unofan View Post
                    Because socialism, and I'm only half kidding.

                    You're right, it could. But then you go and vote for the party that will never let it happen.
                    Irony at its finest
                    "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                    -aparch

                    "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                    -INCH

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                    • #685
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                      What part of 37% don't you get? And that was just last year.

                      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us...2016.html?_r=0

                      Call BS all you want.
                      Of course Minnesota saw health care premium increases in 2015.

                      The state had the cheapest health care premiums - #1 - in the country in 2014. http://khn.org/news/10-least-expensi...markets-in-us/ And Minnesota has the best quality of health care in the country every year. In years past, state insurance companies mispriced their services due to the exchange expecting hot competition. And because big insurance companies can't compare on price with smaller insurance companies like UCare...they're withdrawing from the exchange where people can shop side by side.

                      (In 2014) The lowest monthly silver premium in the country is offered in the Minneapolis-St. Paul region, where a 40-year-old will pay $154 a month for a PreferredOne plan. Just across the Wisconsin border, that same level plan — but with a different insurer and other doctors and hospitals — costs nearly three times as much.

                      Do you shop for insurance on MNSure every year? I do and my insurance premiums went down last year.
                      Go Gophers!

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                      • #686
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                        Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                        Do you shop for insurance on MNSure every year?
                        Yes.
                        **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                        • #687
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                          Yes.
                          They arent going to believe you...they are programmed not to.
                          "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                          -aparch

                          "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                          -INCH

                          Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                          -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                          • #688
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                            Handy & uno

                            I've written my congressman (and soon to be Senator) Chris VanHollen about that very thing.

                            "Thank you for your letter..."
                            CCT '77 & '78
                            4 kids
                            8 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18, TJL 1/22, BRL 6/23, NDL 2/24)
                            2 granddaughters (EML 4/18, LCL 5/20)

                            ?€Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.?€
                            - Benjamin Franklin

                            Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                            I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                            • #689
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                              Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                              They arent going to believe you...they are programmed not to.
                              That's fine.
                              **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                              Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                              Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                              • #690
                                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                Handy & uno

                                I've written my congressman (and soon to be Senator) Chris VanHollen about that very thing.

                                "Thank you for your letter..."
                                I've written both my Senators about this debacle of a law. Especially for the Middle Class who always takes everything in the ***.
                                **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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