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  • #571
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    People complain that healthcare is too expensive yet wail and gnash their teeth when you try to restrict usage, which is how the governments in single-payor plans reduce costs.
    Every system restricts usage. The profit model system rations health care based on how poor you are. Oddly, many people find this immoral.
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    • #572
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      Colorado seems like Oregon. Camel distribution with one hump of educated liberals and another hump of rural conservatives, and not much else. In OR the war is over: the liberals won. CO still seems to be teetering, but you'll get there soon.
      I'm no expert in Colorado politics but traditionally, you'll have Boulder, Denver and some of the suburbs vote Democrat and then some other suburbs, Colorado Springs (2nd largest city) and all the rural areas go conservative. It's not as city vs rural as you'd expect. There are a lot of "educated" conservatives in both Colorado Springs and Denver.

      I'm glad you followed through with your bias of liberals are all educated and conservatives must be rural hicks.

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      • #573
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

        Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
        I'm no expert in Colorado politics but traditionally, you'll have Boulder, Denver and some of the suburbs vote Democrat and then some other suburbs, Colorado Springs (2nd largest city) and all the rural areas go conservative. It's not as city vs rural as you'd expect. There are a lot of "educated" conservatives in both Colorado Springs and Denver.

        I'm glad you followed through with your bias of liberals are all educated and conservatives must be rural hicks.
        Always happy to oblige.

        There are plenty of educated conservatives, if for no other reason than education correlates with wealth and many wealthy people seek ways of rationalizing them not helping others. Conservatism provides many such exonerations. A few of them aren't even all that transparent.
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        • #574
          Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
          I'm no expert in Colorado politics but traditionally, you'll have Boulder, Denver and some of the suburbs vote Democrat and then some other suburbs, Colorado Springs (2nd largest city) and all the rural areas go conservative. It's not as city vs rural as you'd expect. There are a lot of "educated" conservatives in both Colorado Springs and Denver.

          I'm glad you followed through with your bias of liberals are all educated and conservatives must be rural hicks.
          Maybe if the conservative leadership didn't have the IQ of a sugar beet he wouldn't have a point
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          • #575
            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

            Originally posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post
            It varies greatly by specialty and by area. When I was back in Wisconsin, it was a 3-4 month wait at minimum to see a pediatric neurologist. In Cleveland, there are three large health systems and there is a lot of fractured care (people seeing specialists from all three systems) because of different wait times for different specialties.
            This is true, even in Minnesota. If you're looking for a visit to a family doctor, its this week. If you're looking for a visit to a highly qualified specialist in many fields its 3 months. That can include areas like nephrology and even dermatology.

            Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
            I'm no expert in Colorado politics but traditionally, you'll have Boulder, Denver and some of the suburbs vote Democrat and then some other suburbs, Colorado Springs (2nd largest city) and all the rural areas go conservative. It's not as city vs rural as you'd expect. There are a lot of "educated" conservatives in both Colorado Springs and Denver.

            I'm glad you followed through with your bias of liberals are all educated and conservatives must be rural hicks.
            This is largely true. I would say 'rural areas' are split into mountain resorts and the rest. Mountain resorts of Aspen, Vail, etc are liberal (rich limosine liberals and ski bums who toy with pot) and other rural CO areas are like neighboring Kansas.
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            • #576
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

              Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
              This is true, even in Minnesota. If you're looking for a visit to a family doctor, its this week. If you're looking for a visit to a highly qualified specialist in many fields its 3 months. That can include areas like nephrology and even dermatology.
              I have never experienced the extended wait times I hear so many complain about. Including a Nephrologist, Dermatologist, Endocrinologist, Cardiologist, and Oncologist. Three weeks...the longest I've waited. This, all at the U of M Fairview Med Center on campus.
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              • #577
                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                The longest I had to wait was three months. But that's ok since it's a recurring, six-month appointment and my doctor went down to just Mondays so she could get back into teaching.
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                • #578
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                  Originally posted by brookyone View Post
                  I have never experienced the extended wait times I hear so many complain about. Including a Nephrologist, Dermatologist, Endocrinologist, Cardiologist, and Oncologist. Three weeks...the longest I've waited. This, all at the U of M Fairview Med Center on campus.
                  I had two nephrologists, a Mayo visit, and a dermatologist that frankly averaged about 2 months (none through the U of M). Not saying anything about your doctors...but I do my research and perhaps its that these were top of their field physicians.
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                  • #579
                    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                    I had two nephrologists, a Mayo visit, and a dermatologist that frankly averaged about 2 months (none through the U of M). Not saying anything about your doctors...but I do my research and perhaps its that these were top of their field physicians.
                    Well... that's the consensus regarding all those I saw at U of M as well. For critical care, we all do our research...I hope. I have also been a patient at Mayo. A great staff. They all know their colleagues in their fields of at U of M and respect each others abilities and k knowledge.
                    Last edited by brookyone; 08-05-2016, 08:55 AM.
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                    • #580
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                      Originally posted by brookyone View Post
                      I have never experienced the extended wait times I hear so many complain about. Including a Nephrologist, Dermatologist, Endocrinologist, Cardiologist, and Oncologist. Three weeks...the longest I've waited. This, all at the U of M Fairview Med Center on campus.
                      Specialist waits are awful in Central NY; heck PCP waits are bad. It's what happens when administration has been shoved down the practitioners' throats for the last 50 or so years (even before the PPACA), combined with business-unfriendly NYS and a not-so-rural area, you're gonna have a bad time.

                      Might as well also mention Emergency Rooms are bad, too. I can't remember the last time I went to a hospital and they weren't over-filled (FlagDUDETTE calls it a code white, though I think it may have a different meaning...)
                      Last edited by FlagDUDE08; 08-05-2016, 09:14 AM.

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                      • #581
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                        3 months to see a shoulder specialist, 3 months to get a sleep study although it only took a month and half as I was willing to go in on a moments notice. Takes 2 weeks to see PCP, thats a joke, no wonder folks go to emergency room. My insurance won't pay for my dermatologist I pay out of pocket.
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                        • #582
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                          I have an appointment for an orthopedic surgeon about my shoulder come 8/18, made the appointment last week. Then I'll have another 2-4 week wait to get an MRI/MRA, assuming it'll be ordered, and then another 3 weeks or so for the follow-up appointment to review the images. Then, if necessary, I'll have the wait for scheduling surgery.
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                          • #583
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                            You people all need to move to civilization or something. In the state with the highest % of people covered I never have to wait long at all to be seen. One time I broke my elbow on a Saturday night (unknown to me at the time) and I got seen the following day (Sunday) at the doctor's office.
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                            • #584
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                              Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              You people all need to move to civilization or something. In the state with the highest % of people covered I never have to wait long at all to be seen. One time I broke my elbow on a Saturday night (unknown to me at the time) and I got seen the following day (Sunday) at the doctor's office.
                              My orthopedic clinic has urgent care, which they treat and bill like a normal scheduled visit, but the on-duty doctor when I injured my shoulder during a hockey game in May suggested I go back to my doctor who performed my original surgery back in 2013 if it wasn't feeling 100% by the end of July. The clinic is in demand, about 20 doctors and PAs, and there's always a wait.
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                              • #585
                                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                                Someone needs to build a better mousetrap. When a better mousetrap needs to be built and it doesn't get built it's usually because someone is making a ton of money off the broken one.
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