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  • #541
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    I'm not referring to "Civil Asset Forfeiture", but rather taxation.
    Murray Rothbard called. He said, "Geez, I never believed anybody would actually fall for that taxation is theft line. I was just using it to meet girls."
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    • #542
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      As predicted, the road to government single payer continues: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ge-losses.html

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      • #543
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

        Called that one during the 2008 debates... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-after-two-t/

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        • #544
          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          Called that one during the 2008 debates... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-after-two-t/
          The only people who didn't see it coming was either walking down the primrose path or burying their heads in the sand.
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          • #545
            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
            The only people who didn't see it coming was either walking down the primrose path or burying their heads in the sand.
            Will the cost be a money pit?
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            • #546
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              Will the cost be a money pit?
              Just ask the Brits or Canadians, and how they have to ration out their healthcare. People wait a very long time to be seen by doctors in those countries, unless the need is life threatening.
              "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

              "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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              • #547
                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                Will the cost be a money pit?
                Is current insurance a money pit?

                Medicare is more efficient than private insurance, and would be cheaper per capita if younger people could be added to its rolls.

                If you take Medicare + Medicaid + all other insurance + expenses incurred by the uninsured and compare it to the expenditures in a hypothetical single payer, I am guessing the latter saves a significent percentage in the long run.

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                • #548
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  Will the cost be a money pit?
                  We currently have the most expensive healthcare in the world. What we have now is a money pit.

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                  • #549
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                    Originally posted by BassAle View Post
                    We currently have the most expensive healthcare in the world. What we have now is a money pit.
                    What we have is also the most advanced, with more highly technical care available to more people than anywhere in the world. Comparing per capita costs between nations isn't an apples-to-apples deal.
                    "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

                    "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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                    • #550
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                      I like the state by state approach because you can individualize it to see what works. Since VT tried single payer a few years back, would love to see them for example apply some lessons learned and take the lead on state based public option. Mass could do it I suppose but we already lead the nation in coverage. Also, I think the latest effort here is on efficiencies since expansion is now a done deal.
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                      • #551
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                        Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                        What we have is also the most advanced, with more highly technical care available to more people than anywhere in the world. Comparing per capita costs between nations isn't an apples-to-apples deal.
                        Every time I read statements like this, I can only think of this scene, especially since the movie was just on again last night and is one of my all time favorites.
                        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        • #552
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                          Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                          What we have is also the most advanced, with more highly technical care available to more people than anywhere in the world. Comparing per capita costs between nations isn't an apples-to-apples deal.
                          Well, many other countries do have lower infant mortality rates and a longer life expectancy and often spend less than half of what we spend per capita.

                          What can we learn from other countries? That is not to say we need to copy their model exactly, but many countries have been aggressive at reducing costs and realizing efficiencies. It's time to drop the "America! **** Yeah!" attitude and realize maybe we aren't always the best at everything. Maybe we can learn from the experience of others.

                          http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/bu...care.html?_r=0

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                          • #553
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                            Just ask the Brits or Canadians, and how they have to ration out their healthcare. People wait a very long time to be seen by doctors in those countries, unless the need is life threatening.
                            There are a lot of similarities to our country. The emergency department is filled with people who are told the specialist they want to see is a 2+ month wait.
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                            • #554
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                              Originally posted by BassAle View Post
                              Well, many other countries do have lower infant mortality rates and a longer life expectancy and often spend less than half of what we spend per capita.

                              What can we learn from other countries?
                              To reduce poverty and wealth inequality. Among the developed nations, the more a country embraces laissez faire and leaves its less fortunate citizens to the wolves, the less healthy the country is overall.
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                              • #555
                                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                                Every time I read statements like this, I can only think of this scene, especially since the movie was just on again last night and is one of my all time favorites.
                                Aside from going Bing!, it has to do with more immediate access to Imagi g equipment and useful things. Going Bing! is a plus, though.
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