The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

State exchanges are going bankrupt. Even in the vampire state. They're money pits. Makes sense to eliminate it from a standpoint of fiscal responsibility.

ROTFLMAO

Then let's all just let the poor die and be done with it.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

ROTFLMAO

Then let's all just let the poor die and be done with it.

Or if you're going to have some stupid federal cookie cutter idea, make them fund it.

[joecct]

ROTFLMAO

Then let's all just let the poor die and be done with it.

We're all going to die at some time or another. Rich and poor - it doesn't matter.

[unofan]

We're all going to die at some time or another. Rich and poor - it doesn't matter.

So only the rich should get healthcare. Got it.

[mookie1995]

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Co-pay healthcare is now a thing of the past.... Mookie company got 2016 options last week and the costs for people who suffer through corporate gigs Going to shock the hell outta folks.

As in "does anyone KNOW what their drugs actually cost"?

[FreshFish]

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So only the rich should get healthcare. Got it.

right on target. we'll merely give the poor health insurance instead.

no one will notice that the poor will receive health insurance with high deductibles and high co-pays that has few doctors in network, with long waiting lists before you can see them, won't be worth much, since they will be too busy patting themselves on the back to care.

[unofan]

right on target. we'll merely give the poor health insurance instead.

no one will notice that the poor will receive health insurance with high deductibles and high co-pays that has few doctors in network, with long waiting lists before you can see them, won't be worth much, since they will be too busy patting themselves on the back to care.

So sayeth the proponent of health savings accounts as the solution to all of life's ills, as though people who can't already afford a deductible can afford to save up money to cover said deductible.

[FreshFish]

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So sayeth the proponent of health savings accounts as [one of] the solution[s] [for some people]

FYP.

No one single plan will work for everyone. The states should be sole regulators of insurance, the feds cannot handle regional variations. They are just too arbitrary and heavy-handed. PPACA is full of disguised pork and contradictions. It is unworkable in its current form.

Community free clinics can be really effective in some cities. that doesn't mean they will work just as well in rural areas.



PS you also make the (typical, unfounded) assumptions that health savings accounts can only be funded by one's own money. I guess you conveniently forgot (again) the possibility of pre-paid healthcare debit cards, eh?


You should meet Daniel Kahneman sometime. I'm sure he'd love to include you in his next study of how willful blindness affects otherwise intelligent people.

[jerphisch]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

FYP.

No one single plan will work for everyone. The states should be sole regulators of insurance, the feds cannot handle regional variations. They are just too arbitrary and heavy-handed. PPACA is full of disguised pork and contradictions. It is unworkable in its current form.

Community free clinics can be really effective in some cities. that doesn't mean they will work just as well in rural areas.



PS you also make the (typical, unfounded) assumptions that health savings accounts can only be funded by one's own money. I guess you conveniently forgot (again) the possibility of pre-paid healthcare debit cards, eh?


You should meet Daniel Kahneman sometime. I'm sure he'd love to include you in his next study of how willful blindness affects otherwise intelligent people.

I hope you're not implying they'd be funded by your employer. Mine has an FSA that went from a company contribution of $1,000, to $500 to $0 over the last 3 years for a family.

[Jimjamesak]

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I've said it once and I'll say it again, there are two solutions to health care in this country: 1. A socialized single payer system. Or 2. Repealing the law that forces hospitals to treat people even if they can't pay.

[unofan]

FYP.

No one single plan will work for everyone. The states should be sole regulators of insurance, the feds cannot handle regional variations. They are just too arbitrary and heavy-handed. PPACA is full of disguised pork and contradictions. It is unworkable in its current form.

Community free clinics can be really effective in some cities. that doesn't mean they will work just as well in rural areas.



PS you also make the (typical, unfounded) assumptions that health savings accounts can only be funded by one's own money. I guess you conveniently forgot (again) the possibility of pre-paid healthcare debit cards, eh?


You should meet Daniel Kahneman sometime. I'm sure he'd love to include you in his next study of how willful blindness affects otherwise intelligent people.

Yes, the person who reads nothing but News Corp. publications is trying to call someone else willfully blind. That's hilarious.

Here again, folks, is an opportunity to witness the Rovian strategy of accusing your adversary of having your own faults. That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it works.

And until you can buy an MRI at your local Wal-mart, I don't see the food stampifaction of health care being a realistic solution to anything. Pre-paid debit cards. That's gotta be a joke, right? Probably run by a private insurer who takes a 5% fee off the top everytime you use it in addition to fees every time you log in to the website to check its balance.

You are probably also in favor of fast food workers getting their paychecks on those fee-laden cards, as is the new trend.

[ScoobyDoo]

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I've said it once and I'll say it again, there are two solutions to health care in this country: 1. A socialized single payer system. Or 2. Repealing the law that forces hospitals to treat people even if they can't pay.

I agree 1,000,000%.

[St. Clown]

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That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it works.

Nice!

[FreshFish]

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I hope you're not implying they'd be funded by your employer. Mine has an FSA that went from a company contribution of $1,000, to $500 to $0 over the last 3 years for a family.

I am saying we need multi-pronged, multi-faceted solutions, each tailored to different categories, adjusted to fit local needs and circumstances. There is no sane, sensible way to have a comprehensive, national, healthcare program that will satisfy everyone. Healthcare delivery solutions should all be developed at the state and local level. The federal government requires non-discrimation and uniformity, while "discrimination" in the sense of using discerning judgment is what is needed most. The two are fundamentally incompatible.


Single-payor can not deliver satisfactory results. There is always rationing, either by money or by time. It is inevitable and inescapable. That's just how life works. Grow up and face reality as it actually exists, not as you wish it would be. Single-payor is merely a big invitation to massive fraud. We see it every day with Medicaid and Medicare. I wish it were not so.

The best solutions are innovation, local adaptability, and a much stronger emphasis on preventative care and wellness.

[FreshFish]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

...[you are stupid while I am smart, nyah nyah na na na na!]...

:facepalm: